Climate Change

[iflyjetzzz]

And without CO2 it would be at least thirty degrees colder. Know why?

You're pulling numbers out of your posterior. Farenheit or Celcius? ... or Kelvin? (LOL)
How much of an insulative effect do attribute to water vapor?

How about a scientific paper to back up your claim?

I find 'the ocean's trapped the heat' to be humorous. How do your precious AGW scientists that came up with that crackpot idea account for underwater volcanoes? Do they even track them? I think we both know the answer to that one.

 

[futurecurrents]

So do you agree that air temps have stalled?

Not really. What does stalled mean? Using 98 as a starting point is cherry picking and besides, this year is hotter than 98 and the last ten years have been the hottest on record. Besides the longer term trend is still up, no one but dumb deniers think temps rise in a straight line.


This is what the air temps are doing. if you want to call this paused, knock yourself out. I see an unbroken trend. No trend lines broken here lately

btw, this year's temps are at the top of the graph, this one is not current.

 

[futurecurrents]

You're pulling numbers out of your posterior. Farenheit or Celcius? ... or Kelvin? (LOL)
How much of an insulative effect do attribute to water vapor?

How about a scientific paper to back up your claim?

I find 'the ocean's trapped the heat' to be humorous. How do your precious AGW scientists that came up with that crackpot idea account for underwater volcanoes? Do they even track them? I think we both know the answer to that one.

So do you know why that without CO2 the earth would be about thirty degrees F colder? Simple question. It's basic climate science 101.

 

[WeToddDid2]

Not really. What does stalled mean? Using 98 as a starting point is cherry picking and besides, this year is hotter than 98 and the last ten years have been the hottest on record. Besides the longer term trend is still up, no one but dumb deniers think temps rise in a straight line.


This is what the air temps are doing. if you want to call this paused, knock yourself out. I see an unbroken trend. No trend lines broken here lately

btw, this year's temps are at the top of the graph, this one is not current.

Ask NASA what they mean.

NASA stated[bold & underline mine]:

In the 21st century, greenhouse gases have continued to accumulate in the atmosphere, just as they did in the 20th century, but global average surface air temperatures have stopped rising in tandem with the gases. The temperature of the top half of the world's oceans -- above the 1.24-mile mark -- is still climbing, but not fast enough to account for the stalled air temperatures.

 

[WeToddDid2]

So do you know why that without CO2 the earth would be about thirty degrees F colder? Simple question. It's basic climate science 101.

Are you incapable of answering the volcano question?

 

[futurecurrents]

Are you incapable of answering the volcano question?

Yes. It's not volcanoes. It's CO2. A greenhouse gas. That we have raised levels of by 40%. Without which the earth would be much colder. Because it's greenhouse gas. So the world is getting warmer. Is any of this making sense to you yet?

 

[iflyjetzzz]

So do you know why that without CO2 the earth would be about thirty degrees F colder? Simple question. It's basic climate science 101.

Basic junk science. Link, please.
If you or anyone else think that they can describe an extremely complex system by simply stating that CO2 is warming everything, you're delusional. There is a whole lot more to the earth warming and cooling than one trace gas.

I'm of the opinion that the earth is too cold; it's colder than the Medieval Warm Period so I think we need to raise the average temperature another 5 degrees F. How big of a carbon footprint do I need? David Suzuki sized? Al Gore sized? Or do I need to 'go big' and go President Obama sized? For the record, my carbon footprint is miniscule compared to those three alarmists.

 

[futurecurrents]

How Carbon Dioxide Controls Earth's Temperature
October 14, 2010

Water vapor and clouds are the major contributors to Earth's greenhouse effect, but a new atmosphere-ocean climate modeling study shows that the planet's temperature ultimately depends on the atmospheric level of carbon dioxide.

A new atmosphere-ocean climate modeling study shows that atmospheric carbon dioxide acts as a thermostat in regulating the temperature of Earth. Credit: NASA/GISS/Lilly Del Valle.

The study, conducted by Andrew Lacis and colleagues at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York, examined the nature of Earth's greenhouse effect and clarified the role that greenhouse gases and clouds play in absorbing outgoing infrared radiation. Notably, the team identified non-condensing greenhouse gases — such as carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, ozone, and chlorofluorocarbons — as providing the core support for the terrestrial greenhouse effect.

Without non-condensing greenhouse gases, water vapor and clouds would be unable to provide the feedback mechanisms that amplify the greenhouse effect. The study's results will be published Friday, Oct. 15, in Science.

A companion study led by GISS co-author Gavin Schmidt that has been accepted for publication in the Journal of Geophysical Research shows that carbon dioxide accounts for about 20 percent of the greenhouse effect, water vapor and clouds together account for 75 percent, and minor gases and aerosols make up the remaining five percent. However, it is the 25 percent non-condensing greenhouse gas component, which includes carbon dioxide, that is the key factor in sustaining Earth's greenhouse effect. By this accounting, carbon dioxide is responsible for 80 percent of the radiative forcing that sustains the Earth's greenhouse effect.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20101014/

 

[futurecurrents]

A computer model shows that without carbon dioxide the terrestrial greenhouse would collapse and plunge Earth into an icebound state, according to a paper by NASA scientists published in US journal Science on 15 October. Within 50 years the global average temperature would plunge by 35C to -21C without the thermostatic warming provided by atmospheric carbon dioxide. Despite the fact that water vapour and clouds account for around three quarters of the Earth's greenhouse effect, it is carbon dioxide that is the single most important climate-relevant greenhouse gas in the Earth's atmosphere, according to the paper. This is because water vapour can condense and precipitate out of the Earth's atmosphere whereas other greenhouse gases do not.

http://www.reportingclimatescience....revents-earth-from-becoming-an-ice-world.html

 

[futurecurrents]

The recent phenomenon of global warming has been attributed primarily to increasing atmospheric CO
2 concentrations in Earth's atmosphere. The global annual mean concentration of CO
2 in the atmosphere has increased markedly since theIndustrial Revolution, from 280 ppm to 395 ppm as of 2013,[2] with the increase largely attributed to anthropogenic sources, particularly the burning of fossil fuels.[3] The daily average at Mauna Loa first exceeded 400 ppm on 10 May 2013.[4] It is currently rising at a rate of approximately 2 ppm/year and accelerating.[5][6] An estimated 30–40% of the CO
2 released by humans into the atmosphere dissolves into oceans, rivers and lakes.[7][8] which contributes to ocean acidification. The present concentration of CO
2 in Earth's atmosphere is the highest in the past 800,000 years[9] and likely the highest in the past 20 million years.[10]