Climate change is pushing up food prices — and worrying central banks

[piezoe]

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THEY never have seemed to grasp the fact plants like co2.LOL
Ag business can be complex, my wild birds actually like bugs LOL

Of all the crazy ideas for sequestering CO2 I've heard bantered about, I have yet to hear anyone suggest planting grass and trees for this purpose. This revolutionary idea could definitely use more press. Maybe it's just too complex for it to be given serious thought.

 

[lindq]

Climate change is not pushing up food prices.

You are deluded, my friend. Reading comments like yours, I am reminded of the story of the frog that was put in hot water, and didn't realize until too late that we was being boiled. Our time to act has passed.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-is-exacerbating-inflation-worldwide/

https://www.un.org/en/desa/prices-warming-planet-inflationary-effects-climate-change

 

[murray t turtle]

Of all the crazy ideas for sequestering CO2 I've heard bantered about, I have yet to hear anyone suggest planting grass and trees for this purpose. This revolutionary idea could definitely use more press. Maybe it's just too complex for it to be given serious thought.

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LOL\ that's a possibility
Green grass , green trees + red maple trees enjoying Co2, too complex for some LOL

 

[Slow Learning Elf]

Data can be manipulated to say whatever those funding it want it to say. In the 70s the data said we were heading into an ice age. The 80s and 90s it was suddenly Global warming. Now since they can't push the temperature in one direction or another it's "climate change."

That's tinfoil hat thinking (not that I am surprised, considering your political lean). The original data from various weather stations, including the ones located in places like Moscow support these findings. There is also a bunch of alternative data, such as cherry blossom recordings in Japan (from 11th century to modern age, IIRC) or tree rings from felled redwoods in California.

What you call "the data" was actually a fairly small collection of papers (some very prominent and respected one at that, e.g. Rasool, S. I., & Schneider, S. H. (1971). Science, 173(3992), 138-141) that suggested that while CO2 could warm the Earth, aerosols could have a cooling effect. Most of the atmospheric science, however, already supported the global warming hypothesis back then (google Manabe and/or NRC climate report) and by the end of the 70s it was the consensus hypothesis. All this really shows is that climate/atmospheric science was relatively young at the time, like many other branches of natural science.

 

[piezoe]

You are deluded, my friend. Reading comments like yours, I am reminded of the story of the frog that was put in hot water, and didn't realize until too late that we was being boiled. Our time to act has passed.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-is-exacerbating-inflation-worldwide/

https://www.un.org/en/desa/prices-warming-planet-inflationary-effects-climate-change

It's hard to argue with climate change. It's been changing for ~4.5 billion years so far. If it stops changing that will be a bad sign. I wonder what inflation was like 4.5 billion years ago? I guess prices must have been negative back then. Maybe car prices will drop if we have a cold winter! Central bankers should be delighted. They only have to target 1% instead of 2%, what with climate doing the heavy lifting for them.

 

[Slow Learning Elf]

Increased temperaturea and increased CO2 means increased plant growth AKA crop yields. There is a reason people build greenhouses and pump CO2 into them.

LOL. You know what else you need for photogenenesis? Water. No amount of CO2 will help in case of a climate-induced drought.

But of course this has nothing to do with science. Science means specific theories that make testable predictions.

Dude, I've read your posts in the options sub-forum - you'd not recognize science if it came over and bit you in the ass.

 

[Slow Learning Elf]

Climate change is not pushing up food prices. There is no measurable climate change effect, at least since we learned we were dying from climate change.

LOL. Both of these statements are false. The temperature rise is real and obvious. The occurrences of extreme weather events such as droughts and floods are also more common, you can look up statistics from NOAA. You don't even need to look at panel studies but simply look at the original data - some of it comes from countries that do not benefit from the climate change narrative. Similarly, you can get ample evidence that these changes are influencing food prices across multiple crops/items. All this information is right at your finger tips, but you must have been banned on Google.

 

[Overnight]

LOL. Both of these statements are false. The temperature rise is real and obvious. The occurrences of extreme weather events such as droughts and floods are also more common, you can look up statistics from NOAA. You don't even need to look at panel studies but simply look at the original data - some of it comes from countries that do not benefit from the climate change narrative. Similarly, you can get ample evidence that these changes are influencing food prices across multiple crops/items. All this information is right at your finger tips, but you must have been banned on Google.

Food inflation is driven solely by the futures price of commodities. (Don't ask me how I know, because not many people here understand the chain and cannot think that deeply).

Those commodities are now in a cycle so profoundly entrenched in price gouging, it is visibly illegal.

Of course, it will never resolve itself, because nobody knows where to go or whom to speak to to combat it.

Shrinkflation and other forms of gouging are the future!

 

[engineering]

Dude, I've read your posts in the options sub-forum - you'd not recognize science if it came over and bit you in the ass.

Typical climate crazy behavior. The can't argue science so the go right to ad hominems. That an the spurious correlations without and actual real theory to back it up.

It's simple fact. If you can state under what conditions your theory would be disproven, it not science.

It's like the watching the church get mad at people for realizing the solar system doesn't resolve around the sun. These people have been pushing this BS for decades. If they we actually correct, they'd be telling you specific testable predictions instead of "more storms somewhere" or "there might be a drought". Instead it's always "we only have 5 years to do something and they we're all doomed.". Every few years.

 

[Slow Learning Elf]

Food inflation is driven solely by the futures price of commodities. (Don't ask me how I know, because not many people here understand the chain and cannot think that deeply).

What do you think drives the futures? Supply and demand, and among those things are expectations of harvest failures and similar events. There is a reason why most commodity houses have a dedicated meteorologist on staff.