Climate change is pushing up food prices — and worrying central banks

I would normally agree with you. In 2011, there was a surge in commodities (like chemical feedstocks) which to my knowledge was not driven by change in real demand or supply. If I recall, the rally in soft commodities is what precipitated the Arab spring as peasants rioted over the price of rice.

edit: I swore I read that a guy killed himself in Tunisia over the price of rice, but wiki is saying something else.
The guy who self-immolated did so because police confiscated his produce (he didn't have a permit to sell fruit and vegetables).
Momentum is the slow diffusion of information.

Info -> Future Price -> Information about positioning and speculation about future info --> Info -> Future Price ... ad infinitum
 
We will just have to disagree. Most likely sometime after both of us are dead it will be known for certain whether Miskolczi or Hansen, et al. is right, perhaps neither, regarding the role of CO2 . I won't be around to have the pleasure of saying "I told you so!".

I appreciated Overnight's important comment re commodity futures. I didn't interpret it as his having implied it was the "sole driver of food prices". It's difficult for me to envision food prices detached from where commodity futures settle.

Can you please point me to literature references for your points (1) and (2). I'd like to read them, as this topic keenly interests me.
We're not "disagreeing" with informational parity. You are choosing to believe (1) a paper based upon an assumption about GHG effects that contradicts observable evidence and (2) a theory of cosmic rays that's been disproven both through observable evidence and experiment (CERN 2016).
 
I do think CTAs extend moves somewhat, but it's a secondary effect, especially in products that have liquid trading in the physical and ability to store things (like lumber right now)

so when I was looking for my second career. It was a common theme that hedge funds had pushed up the price of chemical commodities. I will try to find some articles on it. This was specific to 2011. I’m not saying the same thing happend in 2021 (which you know I has a second row seat for).
 
climate change deniers
Does such a thing exist? There seems to be overwhelming evidence that the climate has changed dramatically over the past 4.5 billion years!, with absolutely no evidence that it has stopped changing. Logic would suggest that the climate will continue to change but at a slowing pace as the solar system ages, up until the final two to three billion years while our Sun transitions to a death star.

The question being asked by those actively involved in climate research is not whether the climate changes but what are the driving forces. Of course one has to go to the primary literature to be aware of current hypotheses beyond the one anointed by the media. The media has fixated on the CO2 hypothesis as though it were theory. Worse yet the media insists there is already formed an unassailable consensus, as if science had something to do with consensus. (I have read here on ET that it does. :D)

I have always thought that someone should look again seriously at thermal pollution even though that's been considered and dismissed. One approach taken now is to "correct" land based thermometers for the "urban island effect". The immediate surrounding of virtually all of these thermometers has changed drastically over the last century. Although it's not true, it still seems that no one other than myself has noticed that the urban island effect is on the order of ten degrees whereas the temperature "anomalies" being sought are on the order of tenths of degrees. But never mind. We know our hurricanes are more powerful and more frequent than ever. The Media has told us. And everyone but the photo physicists know this is a fact and it's caused by rising atmospheric CO2. Our only hope is that the physicists will start watching CNN.
 
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We're not "disagreeing" with informational parity. You are choosing to believe (1) a paper based upon an assumption about GHG effects that contradicts observable evidence and (2) a theory of cosmic rays that's been disproven both through observable evidence and experiment (CERN 2016).
Actually the situation with regard to the one paper of Miskolczi I referenced is the opposite of what you state. Miskolczi paper is based on observation data supplied by NOAA which contradicts the theoretical computations.

Again, if you can supply a literature reference or two, it would be much appreciated.
 
Climate models are testable and have been shown to work, both on historical test and in "real life". It seems, however, that you are banned on google, just like many other residents of ET.

The models have been tested over time and were proven to be BS. Go back and look at Mann's hockey stick.

Hell, Nye's "experiment" in An Inconvenient Truth was proven to have had its results faked in post production.

Instead of admitting any flaws in their thinking, they simply invent more models, insist that they are still right and move doomsday out another 5 years.

Making coin toss predictions like "it will get hotter" or "we'll have more storms" with unspecified dates is not even close to real science.

If you want to deprogram yourself do some reading here:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/
 
The models have been tested over time and were proven to be BS. Go back and look at Mann's hockey stick.
Show me a peer reviewed publication that has proven any of the models "to be BS". Not the standard "yeah, there are possible improvements by adding X" but rather "this stuff is BS". Like I said, I double dare you and so far you're doing about as well as you did in the options-related discussions.

If you want to deprogram yourself do some reading here:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/
Dude, seriously? I am linking articles from Nature and the best you can do is a blog by some random dude? :eyeroll:
 
Making coin toss predictions like "it will get hotter" or "we'll have more storms" with unspecified dates is not even close to real science.


Can you chart temps? Beyond your ability, r*****?

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