Climate change is on ice

Lucrum · Sep 29, 2013

Quote from Ricter:

The story is a hoax, no such ship passed through the NW Passage, nor could one have.

Quote from gwb-trading:

You mean all the reporting from CNN, ABC, Canadian National Post, Reuters, CBS, Globe & Mail, plus the video is all a lie?

...The only hoax here is that global warming is caused by man.

I smell roasted Ricter, a rather unpleasant smell at that.

futurecurrents · Sep 29, 2013

Yeah OK, but it's still 97%. Notwithstanding some single dopey paper about who knows what.

When a greenhouse gas goes up so does temperature. It's a simple thing that a ten year old can grasp .........but incredibly, Republicans can't.

Quote from jem:

you are such a troll.

the survey which showed it was not 97% but .3 percent was published in a respected peer reviewed journal.

It was not the website. That website... the most viewed climate website in the world... simply wrote about the paper.

here is the paper...

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11191-013-9647-9

Abstract
Agnotology is the study of how ignorance arises via circulation of misinformation calculated to mislead. Legates et al. (Sci Educ 22:2007â2017, 2013) had questioned the applicability of agnotology to politically-charged debates. In their reply, Bedford and Cook (Sci Educ 22:2019â2030, 2013), seeking to apply agnotology to climate science, asserted that fossil-fuel interests had promoted doubt about a climate consensus. Their definition of climate âmisinformationâ was contingent upon the post-modernist assumptions that scientific truth is discernible by measuring a consensus among experts, and that a near unanimous consensus exists. However, inspection of a claim by Cook et al. (Environ Res Lett 8:024024, 2013) of 97.1 % consensus, heavily relied upon by Bedford and Cook, shows just 0.3 % endorsement of the standard definition of consensus: that most warming since 1950 is anthropogenic. Agnotology, then, is a two-edged sword since either side in a debate may claim that general ignorance arises from misinformation allegedly circulated by the other. Significant questions about anthropogenic influences on climate remain. Therefore, Legates et al. appropriately asserted that partisan presentations of controversies stifle debate and have no place in education.

futurecurrents · Sep 29, 2013

Quote from gwb-trading:

You mean all the reporting from CNN, ABC, Canadian National Post, Reuters, CBS, Globe & Mail, plus the video is all a lie.

Northwest Passage crossed by first cargo ship, the Nordic Orion, heralding new era of Arctic commercial activity
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...alding-new-era-of-arctic-commercial-activity/

Big freighter traverses Northwest Passage for 1st time
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/27/us-shipping-coal-arctic-idUSBRE98Q0K720130927

Ship crosses Northwest Passage, sails into history
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...y-traverse-northwest-passage/article14516278/

The only hoax here is that global warming is caused by man.

You DO know that man has raised CO2 levels by 40%, right?

Lucrum · Sep 29, 2013

Quote from futurecurrents:

You DO know that man has raised CO2 levels by 40%, right?

So?

futurecurrents · Sep 29, 2013

Quote from gwb-trading:

Do you know that in order for "An Inconvenient Truth" to be shown in British schools, numerous errors must be edited out - or the teacher must provide an explanation of 9 critical errors in the film as ruled by the British high court.

Gore climate film's nine 'errors'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7037671.stm

A High Court judge who ruled on whether climate change film, An Inconvenient Truth, could be shown in schools said it contains nine scientific "errors".

Mr Justice Burton said the government could still send the film to schools - if accompanied by guidance giving the other side of the argument.

Schools must warn of Gore climate film bias
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-485336/Schools-warn-Gore-climate-film-bias.html

So what? That's minor baby stuff. The vast bulk of info in that film is correct. Al Gore is right. You are not.

Lucrum · Sep 29, 2013

Quote from futurecurrents:

...Al Gore is right...

Lucrum · Sep 29, 2013

jem · Oct 1, 2013

in your world 40 papers out of 11000 is 97%... in the Big Lie from the big govt leftist and fascists sob's once again.

Quote from futurecurrents:

Yeah OK, but it's still 97%. Notwithstanding some single dopey paper about who knows what.

When a greenhouse gas goes up so does temperature. It's a simple thing that a ten year old can grasp .........but incredibly, Republicans can't.

futurecurrents · Oct 1, 2013

Quote from jem:

in your world 40 papers out of 11000 is 97%... in the Big Lie from the big govt leftist and fascists sob's once again.

Yeah OK, but it's still 97% or pretty close. In the real world of actual facts. As opposed to you delusional one. Take your meds.

jem · Oct 1, 2013

Facts? you delusional lying troll.

The actual fact is that 99% of the papers do not support the idea that man has caused the warming since 1950.

"However, inspection of a claim by Cook et al. (Environ Res Lett 8:024024, 2013) of 97.1 % consensus, heavily relied upon by Bedford and Cook, shows just 0.3 % endorsement of the standard definition of consensus: that most warming since 1950 is anthropogenic."

Quote from jem:

you are such a troll.

the survey which showed it was not 97% but .3 percent was published in a respected peer reviewed journal.

It was not the website. That website... the most viewed climate website in the world... simply wrote about the paper.

here is the paper...

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11191-013-9647-9

Abstract
Agnotology is the study of how ignorance arises via circulation of misinformation calculated to mislead. Legates et al. (Sci Educ 22:2007â2017, 2013) had questioned the applicability of agnotology to politically-charged debates. In their reply, Bedford and Cook (Sci Educ 22:2019â2030, 2013), seeking to apply agnotology to climate science, asserted that fossil-fuel interests had promoted doubt about a climate consensus. Their definition of climate âmisinformationâ was contingent upon the post-modernist assumptions that scientific truth is discernible by measuring a consensus among experts, and that a near unanimous consensus exists. However, inspection of a claim by Cook et al. (Environ Res Lett 8:024024, 2013) of 97.1 % consensus, heavily relied upon by Bedford and Cook, shows just 0.3 % endorsement of the standard definition of consensus: that most warming since 1950 is anthropogenic. Agnotology, then, is a two-edged sword since either side in a debate may claim that general ignorance arises from misinformation allegedly circulated by the other. Significant questions about anthropogenic influences on climate remain. Therefore, Legates et al. appropriately asserted that partisan presentations of controversies stifle debate and have no place in education.