Clemency bid denied for gang killer

Quote from FredBloggs:

i have to agree with most of that (see options007 - it aint hard :D )

BUT....

1/ the death of young americans was sold on wmds. NOT removing a little tinker from power and NOT for oil.

2/ what about the average iraqi citizen? they are the pawns in all of this. they never asked saddam to be a wanker - just like they never asked americans & brits to demolish their infrastructure, kill their family or take away their livelihoods.

polls show that the average iraqi sees his life as being significantly worse since the invasion than under saddam.

wtf has this got to do with tookie anyway??

:confused:

1) It was thought by most informaed persons both inside the US (both political parties) and outside the US that Saddam either had WMDs or was developing them. Had he played it straight with the UN then we have had the possibility of knowing that WMDs or rograms to develop them were not present in Iraq. However he played the UN and the world for a decade and since the UN wasn't going to jack shit about (many top countries were taking personal bribes from Saddam not to) the US stepped up to the plate. Yes no WMDs were found so in hindsight that reason for war turned out incorrect. Bush also stated that Removing Saddam from power was a war objective. And he was successful in that. I'll grant you that your first statement is 25% correct.

2) I agree that unfortunatly the average Iraqi citizen is the pawn in the game. They are now suffering for the mistakes of Saddam. I read a recent statement some where (I forget sice I did not think I would need the information in a discussion later) that while the majority of Iraqis do not approve of the presence of American troops soemething like 82% belive that their future will be betterr now than when Saddam was in power. The Iraqi citizens have a lot of repair to not only their infrastructure but the way of thinking and the belief that they can make a difference in the outcome of their country now instead of it being dictated to them. Some will get it before others and some will never get it. Those of catch on quicker will most likely be the ones who suceed the quickest. It is much like it is here in the US. Those that believe they can get ahead and have a say in their lives and actually practice what they belive usually are the most successful. Sometimes you must sacrifice a little to gain a lot. In this case the Iraqis are sacrificaing quite a bit to gain more than they or most others can comprehend.
 
Quote from optionpro007:

I was wondering too....

But you are wrong again. 70% of the population in Iraq today believe they are better off than when Hussein was in power.

And progress is just starting.

As far as you previous post, if you are willing to pay me, I will brighten your mind a little.

That's because the job will be a major undertaking....lol

tut tut.


youve obviously been reading AMERICAN reports that monkey man has doctored in the usual propaganda.

here in europe, we get the UNBIASED TRUTH.



turn off fox kid.
 
No doubt about it. You even have riots to support your unbiased TRUTH.

You should apply for a job, at the commedy channel, you are hilarious...:D

Quote from FredBloggs:


here in europe, we get the UNBIASED TRUTH.



 
Quote from optionpro007:

No doubt about it. You even have riots to support your unbiased TRUTH.

You should apply for a job, at the commedy channel, you are hilarious...:D

this is typical.

someone loses an argument and they start getting personal!!

dont worry about the confusion you are feeling 007. its a normal healthy reaction when our beliefs are challenged and proved wrong. we get fearful.

never turn that fear into hate.

embrace this uncertainty you are feeling. learn not to resist and you will see the world in a different light and the force will be with you

peace n love!
 
Quote from FredBloggs:

this is typical.

someone loses an argument and they start getting personal!!

dont worry about the confusion you are feeling 007. its a normal healthy reaction when our beliefs are challenged and proved wrong. we get fearful.

never turn that fear into hate.

embrace this uncertainty you are feeling. learn not to resist and you will see the world in a different light and the force will be with you

peace n love!

As well as typical, its not acceptable. Personal attacks violate the ET TOU- keep it topical folks.

thanks
 
Quote from resinate:

As well as typical, its not acceptable. Personal attacks violate the ET TOU- keep it topical folks.

thanks

dont worry - he only said i should be on the comedy channel - not that bad. however the force is strong in me, and i sensed that this could be the beginning of the slippery slope.

i have no hard feelings towards 007, regardless of what he thinks of me. i understand that his views are not really his own, but those of fox tv.

keep it positive 007 - youre a good dude - dont slip to the other side.
 
Quote from FredBloggs:

do these sound like the actions of a sane rational person?

to me they sound like the actions of a lunatic who who has severe mental issues.


should we then execute all people who have mental issues?


how about kill all psychopaths - as they have the potential to kill?

how about all people who have mental illness?

how about retards?

how about all people who dont think the right way?

what about democrats?

what about the poor?

what about.....?

what these people have done is terrible. i dont think they should be allowed out. but i dont think death is the answer.


perhaps its just the mark of a society who thinks the way to deal with its problems is just to ignore them, brush them under the carpet, or dispose of them, without a 2nd thought to how to stop the issue from reoccurring in the first place.

it doesnt matter if the problem is a candy wrapper, carbon dioxide emissions, the mentally insane or another country it has just invaded. just bin it and hope it will go away.

this society forgets that IT created the problem in the first place. the society refuses to look in the mirror and truthfully accept the damage it is doing to ITSELF.

this appalling attitude is the reason why a once great country finds itself going backwards, while the rest of the developed world (who also once had the same attitude 100 years ago), continues to grow and prosper.

I have the severe mental issue? I'm not the one who raped a little girl and then murdered her. If you can't see that this guy is evil then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you should take him into your home and "rehabilitate" him. This guy was already incarcerated and let out. They considered him fit to enter society again. Then he committed this heinous crime. Maybe the insane person is the one who thinks that a person like this can change.
 
Quote from resinate:

Exactly!

I agree that we should be damn sure when we execute someone that he was guilty.

But this doesn't answer my question.

Is it worth it?
 
Quote from BSAM:

Yo Bambino.....

What do think about the costs/effectiveness of my plan:

#1 Catch 'em on Monday.

#2 Have their trial on Tuesday.

#3 Cut their head off on MTV on Wednesday.

Big change in the USA, huh?

You forgot the pay per view, execution rights, and give the money to the families of those he killed.

Or am I being too mean to the convicted murderer?
 
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