CL Redux

Here are my SIM trade results for SI today. Didn't take that long. Spent maybe an hour and a half altogether focusing on this.

ADD And BTW, other than one trade I inadvertently entered somehow without my knowing it, in which case I bought 5 more contracts to exit with a profit, the rest of the trades were all for one or two contracts.
 

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Quote from BCE:

AYou know how CL is, it hangs with you for awhile and then without even saying anything takes off on its own. Not a very good date perhaps. :) How was it you put it? "No, CL lives in a cave far from civilization. It answers to no index!" and I said ":D Sometimes it answers. or pretends to, and then it changes it's mind. :)

I'm guessing (and encourage any pit traders to correct me if I'm wrong) that when a big position needs to get moved in fairly short order, there's wide price range in which the participant is willing to complete the transaction, and this can easily sweep the market for a move that seems rather large intraday, but is fairly meaningless against the bigger picture. CL is trading in a narrow range consolidation zone at highs. In a longer term view, an intraday swing of a point or two is just noise here, considering the swings over the past couple of months on the daily chart are around 15 points upside and 8-10 on significant pullbacks.

Today closed bullish, putting in the highest daily low yet and just itching to break out, IMHO. On a purely technical basis, $120-$121 in the cards. I'm not sure how easily that will be able to play out fundamentally, though, without further pertinent news to give a push.

All that said, a swing trader's noise can be a day trader's pot o' gold.
 
Off to lunch, and then to do my laundry, and then to watch the Lakers game, and then listen to my friends do Karaoke. Have a great night everyone. :)
 
Quote from BCE:

Here are my SIM trade results for SI today. Didn't take that long. Spent maybe an hour and a half altogether focusing on this.

ADD And BTW, other than one trade I inadvertently entered somehow without my knowing it, in which case I bought 5 more contracts to exit with a profit, the rest of the trades were all for one or two contracts.

Looks like you've found your new soul mate :)

Are you using fixed hard stops when trading it?
 
Quote from NoDoji:

I'm guessing (and encourage any pit traders to correct me if I'm wrong) that when a big position needs to get moved in fairly short order, there's wide price range in which the participant is willing to complete the transaction, and this can easily sweep the market for a move that seems rather large intraday, but is fairly meaningless against the bigger picture. CL is trading in a narrow range consolidation zone at highs. In a longer term view, an intraday swing of a point or two is just noise here, considering the swings over the past couple of months on the daily chart are around 15 points upside and 8-10 on significant pullbacks.

Today closed bullish, putting in the highest daily low yet and just itching to break out, IMHO. On a purely technical basis, $120-$121 in the cards. I'm not sure how easily that will be able to play out fundamentally, though, without further pertinent news to give a push.

All that said, a swing trader's noise can be a day trader's pot o' gold.
Agree. :) Have a good night.
 
Quote from NoDoji:

Looks like you've found your new soul mate :)

Are you using fixed hard stops when trading it?
You know I am using hard stops. Almost all of my trades went green within a few seconds and I moved the stop to b/e but it only took me out once. I just had a really good feel for support and resistance levels and had great entries and even left maybe twice as much on the table by exiting too soon. I just wanted to see if I could trade it. Of course tomorrow when I do it live I'll lose $5k.......................Kidding I hope. :) Actually I wouldn't because of stops. I'll give it a try at least.

Okay off to lunch. :) See if they'll take my SIM money. :)
 
Today closed bullish, putting in the highest daily low yet and just itching to break out, IMHO. On a purely technical basis, $120-$121 in the cards. I'm not sure how easily that will be able to play out fundamentally, though, without further pertinent news to give a push.


Nice work on the analysis:

The problem I have is everything could not have been better set up for moving cl to 115 today. Somebody was quite happy to come in and sell in size at 114, that tells you something given:

early in the contract, gold silver strong, weak dollar, bernanke soft as hell.

Maybe that 6 million build, and over 363 in total supplies, only 5 million from 368 established last year as highs. Maybe some producers think there is a whole lot of building crude inventories happening under the radar, and they think given these gas prices, it ain`t going to get better from here without a supply disruption other than lybia.

That said this is macro:

There will be 4-6 on average big moves everyday, even downtrends have 80 point retracements, so literally there is the long term macro picture, but within the macro picture, there are daytraders trying to make a living on moves, counter moves, fakeouts, etc.

Just use stops, and try not to go on tilt if you have 4 stops outs in a row. The players know how people trade, and they throw in surprises on purpose at times.
 
Quote from BlueStreek:

The problem I have is everything could not have been better set up for moving cl to 115 today. Somebody was quite happy to come in and sell in size at 114, that tells you something given:

That was definitely a surprise to me, too. I'm happy to just go with the intraday flow. I'm curious how the swing traders here decide whether to take profits early on part or all of a position, or do you basically hold for target or break even at some point, with no middle ground?
 
well, the last stop run was the GS call which sent crude down near the 105 area, that is where new money with size entered, and I imagine sent their trades were instantly profitable as they make the market, that they have moved there stops up, and are sitting on huge profits already, i would have to look at the charts, but whatever the recent lows are is where they have all their stops moved to take them out of the trade, roughly off the top of my head in the 110 area, so a serious attack of those levels, maybe during the rollover cycle if the contract just stagnates, then those get triggered and we move back to 105.

But if the longs and move this up higher it forces the shorts to buy back from the longs, and then the swings can just move their stops up to the next breakout level which would probably be on the safe side in the 113 area, onn the next move up......it all depends if the contract stagnates or not, if 99.9 % don`t take delivery then the only way the direction is established is if one group can make the opposing group buy back their positions from them at a loss......then their is less of a rollover effect.
 
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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bets-oil-will-rise-past-110-flirt-with-record-2011-04-29

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Most U.S. hedge-fund and other money managers are betting oil will climb further, signaling support for prices from this influential but fast-moving group of commodities investors.

But analysts warn that money managers’ net long positions, which rose to a record in early March and have hemmed in close to the high mark in recent weeks, are too blunt of an indicator to be used in isolation.

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“As a trading tool goes, it is more like a sledgehammer than a scalpel,” said Tim Evans, an oil analyst with Citigroup’s Citi Futures Perspective.

Net long positions in benchmark West Texas Intermediate, or bets prices will continue to rise, rose to a record 311,632 positions in the week of March 3, according to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, the U.S. futures regulator.

That week oil’s most-active contract rose nearly 7%, following gains of 9% the previous week.

Net longs declined slightly afterwards, just to creep back to 305,297 positions in early April. The most recent data, pertaining to the week ended April 19, shows net long positions at 289,916. The CFTC releases its next weekly report Friday.
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Oil analysts watch this weekly data to get a sense of the institutional support for oil prices. Basic supply and demand factors, including a recovering global economy and unrest rocking Middle Eastern and North African producers, have accounted for much of oil’s 23% rise this year. But demand from financial investors seeking to capitalize on fundamental trends has likely also helped.


Silver prices too hot for buyers?
Silver's "almost vertical ascent" is just one of many signals suggesting the metal's rally is reaching a top, says Richard Ross, chief technical strategist at Auerbach Grayson. Gold, or better yet, copper, offer better value.

“You can use it as a momentum play,” as long as you also watch out for extremes that can point to oversold conditions, said Matt Smith, an oil analyst with Summit Energy in Kentucky, of the CFTC positions.

The data unequivocally shows commodities and oil in particular becoming more popular as investments, he said.

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Open interest, or all outstanding Nymex oil contracts held by producers, money managers, and other buyers, shot up to 3.1 million contracts by early March, and has hovered around that mark ever since, or roughly in line with 2008 open-interest levels as oil prices came off a peak.
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Indeed, this year’s jump in oil prices past $110 a barrel -- to $112.86 for the June contract CLM11 -0.37% on Thursday -- has come even as global supplies remain plentiful, suggesting an investor rush for better returns could also be feeding into prices.

Hindsight

Those high levels, bringing oil prices closer to the record settlement of $145.29 a barrel reached in July 2008, also carry a warning for investors tempted to use position data as a forward indicator for higher prices.

During oil’s last big runup and sudden drop three years ago, money managers started to reduce their long positions heading into the peak for oil prices. But they held onto the bulk of their positions both before and after.

About 60% of money managers’ net long positions held in February 2008, when oil surpassed $100 a barrel, were still on the books by early July when oil climbed toward its $145 high.

The change did represent a decline in long positions. From around 150,000 positions in February, they slid to 92,000 in July, and those bullish bets kept falling further in September and October as prices dropped sharply.

But by the end of the year, months before oil had reached a low, the managers had long positions of 82,000 positions. In early February 2009, as oil prices sunk near $34 a barrel, net long positions hovered around 94,000.

Some managers rotated positions and were net longs “one degree or another the whole way down,” said Evans in a separate e-mail interview. “That said, there was a net flow of selling that began ahead of the price peak and continued for months, contributing to the price drop.”

Oil prices have more than tripled since hitting a bottom in February 2009.

Commitments of traders data are a powerful tool -- but only in hindsight, said Kyle Cooper, managing director of IAF Advisors in Houston.

While looking back has some validity, “you just don’t know at what point it finally came to a top,” said Cooper.
 
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