Civil discourse on gun control

[Tsing Tao]

Tucker Blasts FL Sheriff: 'Exceptional Ineptitude & Arrogance'

Watters: FL Sheriff Crediting Himself As If Hillary Had Done That After Benghazi

In an "Ingraham Angle" exclusive, Laura Ingraham aired a purported internal email from the Broward County Sheriff's Office that directed employees to defend Sheriff Scott Israel.

Ingraham said the email was given to her by a source and that its veracity was "confirmed" by a second source.

It urges all staff members to vigorously support Israel as he "find[s himself] up against a flurry of media allegations."

"He stood with us, and now we must stand with him," the email reads.

"The focus should be on getting to the bottom of what happened," Ingraham said. "[It] shouldn't be about saving [Israel's] job."

Ingraham said the emails continue a pattern of defensive public relations by the department at Israel's lead.



She said that, apart from the sheriff's repeated statements defending himself and criticizing the National Rifle Association, the Democrat's past actions also garnered media attention.

In 2015, Israel wrapped decals of his face on five taxpayer-financed sheriff's office cars, Ingraham reported.

She said they were dubbed "Israelmobiles," and were often driven by members of a "community outreach team" allegedly staffed by his campaign supporters.

Ingraham called for President Donald Trump to order Attorney General Jeff Sessions to open his own investigation into the shooting, as well as the department's actions in relation to it.

Watch the 4 min review here.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

And what procedures done by other countries are you looking to apply here, specifically? I'm open to discussing how these laws/procedures would be implemented. I'm hoping you can talk to them.

No, I don't live in the US. You guys should figure the details out yourselves. But you should figure it out, because it has gotten stupid in your country.

But, broad brush, I'd say increase the age to at least mid-20s if not older for any guns. No concealed or open carry unless special circumstances. No military-style assault rifles. Very limited capacity magazines. Limited number guns per person. Strict registry of all gun ownership. Draconian penalties for violations. For starters.

Thanks for asking my opinion. I'll let you guys iron out the details.

 

[Tsing Tao]

No, I don't live in the US. You guys should figure the details out yourselves. But you should figure it out, because it has gotten stupid in your country.

But, broad brush, I'd say increase the age to at least mid-20s if not older for any guns. No concealed or open carry unless special circumstances. No military-style assault rifles. Very limited capacity magazines. Limited number guns per person. Strict registry of all gun ownership. Draconian penalties for violations. For starters.

Thanks for asking my opinion. I'll let you guys iron out the details.

These are pretty good on specifics. Some questions:

1. Increase the age to mid-20s, does that include military veterans who are on active duty and in service from age 18?

2. Regarding that increased age limit, do you believe that will impact inner city violence in places like Chicago, Detroit, and Baltimore (for example)?

3. What special circumstances warrant concealed carry in your opinion?

4. As for restricting current weapons/accessories and the like, could you explain how that would be implemented, given the 330 million firearms currently in circulation?

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Tucker Blasts FL Sheriff: 'Exceptional Ineptitude & Arrogance'

Watters: FL Sheriff Crediting Himself As If Hillary Had Done That After Benghazi

In an "Ingraham Angle" exclusive, Laura Ingraham aired a purported internal email from the Broward County Sheriff's Office that directed employees to defend Sheriff Scott Israel.

Ingraham said the email was given to her by a source and that its veracity was "confirmed" by a second source.

It urges all staff members to vigorously support Israel as he "find[s himself] up against a flurry of media allegations."

"He stood with us, and now we must stand with him," the email reads.

"The focus should be on getting to the bottom of what happened," Ingraham said. "[It] shouldn't be about saving [Israel's] job."

Ingraham said the emails continue a pattern of defensive public relations by the department at Israel's lead.



She said that, apart from the sheriff's repeated statements defending himself and criticizing the National Rifle Association, the Democrat's past actions also garnered media attention.

In 2015, Israel wrapped decals of his face on five taxpayer-financed sheriff's office cars, Ingraham reported.

She said they were dubbed "Israelmobiles," and were often driven by members of a "community outreach team" allegedly staffed by his campaign supporters.

Ingraham called for President Donald Trump to order Attorney General Jeff Sessions to open his own investigation into the shooting, as well as the department's actions in relation to it.

Watch the 4 min review here.

Just curious, how does this post further the cause of civil discourse on guns?

 

[Tsing Tao]

Just curious, how does this post further the cause of civil discourse on guns?

It draws attention to an elected Sheriff whose job was to ensure the safety of those in his electorate, and who is apparently more interested in making a name for himself than actually investigating why his officers did not

1. Investigate Cruz when, on numerous occasions Cruz was brought to their attention
2. Did not enter and confront an active shooter assailant
3. Will not release video regarding his officers not intervening because the investigation is still going on - but yet will appear in a CNN town hall and make claims that are openly false about gun legislation.

Kids died and this man is looking to push his popularity - yet people claim the NRA is at fault and has blood on it's hands.

The discussion is similar to the CNN scripted questions argument.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

These are pretty good on specifics. Some questions:

1. Increase the age to mid-20s, does that include military veterans who are on active duty and in service from age 18?

2. Regarding that increased age limit, do you believe that will impact inner city violence in places like Chicago, Detroit, and Baltimore (for example)?

3. What special circumstances warrant concealed carry in your opinion?

4. As for restricting current weapons/accessories and the like, could you explain how that would be implemented, given the 330 million firearms currently in circulation?

1. Civilian and military; apples and oranges.
2. Can't hurt.
3. Good question. No average/typical civilians, that's for sure. But I'm leaving it open for legitimate exceptions, whatever they may be.
4. So rather than addressing the problem you wish to ignore and perpetuate it, by adding to it? To get out of a hole, you first need to stop digging.

I've had my fill thanks. Good luck.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

It draws attention to an elected Sheriff whose job was to ensure the safety of those in his electorate, and who is apparently more interested in making a name for himself than actually investigating why his officers did not

1. Investigate Cruz when, on numerous occasions Cruz was brought to their attention
2. Did not enter and confront an active shooter assailant
3. Will not release video regarding his officers not intervening because the investigation is still going on - but yet will appear in a CNN town hall and make claims that are openly false about gun legislation.

Kids died and this man is looking to push his popularity - yet people claim the NRA is at fault and has blood on it's hands.

The discussion is similar to the CNN scripted questions argument.

What does your post have to do with gun CONTROL? That is, if you actually want any control at all?

 

[Tsing Tao]

1. Civilian and military; apples and oranges.
2. Can't hurt.
3. Good question. No average/typical civilians, that's for sure. But I'm leaving it open for legitimate exceptions, whatever they may be.
4. So rather than addressing the problem you wish to ignore and perpetuate it, by adding to it? To get out of a hole, you first need to stop digging.

I've had my fill thanks. Good luck.

I get that civilian and military is apples and oranges, but you are OK with military vets who are under the age owning a firearm outside of the restrictions you discussed?

As for 2 and 4, what I'm concerned with is restricting law abiding citizens from carrying firearms while criminals continue to go ahead and use firearms to commit heinous acts - and actually are emboldened because law abiding citizens will no longer have protection due to restrictions you put in place.

 

[Tsing Tao]

What does your post have to do with gun CONTROL? That is, if you actually want any control at all?

That's simple - armed, effective law enforcement could have minimized the damage that Cruz inflicted if they had intervened, or completely prevented it in the first place if Cruz had been arrested when multiple sources notified law enforcement - including this particular Sheriff's department - about the danger Cruz represented.

Do you believe this sheriff acted in the interest of preventing this tragedy?

 

[Frederick Foresight]

That's simple - armed, effective law enforcement could have minimized the damage that Cruz inflicted if they had intervened, or completely prevented it in the first place if Cruz had been arrested when multiple sources notified law enforcement - including this particular Sheriff's department - about the danger Cruz represented.

But that goes without saying. What is there to debate?