Civil discourse on gun control

[Tsing Tao]

The banned ones. For some amount of money. Some months. It doesn't disallow gun ownership so not a problem for the 2nd.

I'm just trying to understand what you suggest but you refuse to clarify anything. "some amount of money". "some months" "the banned ones". You make a comment like "Ban some guns" but provide absolutely zero suggestions on how to accomplish this other than to say "Australia did it, we can too!".

Everyone else here - on both sides of the discussion - is being specific. What is your difficulty doing so?

 

[DTB2]

Their mom (Newtown), online (aurora), some other gun that was obtained legally by someone at some point.

US weapons manufacturer are not selling in the black market.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime/

"All guns start out as legal guns," Fabio said in an interview. But a "huge number of them" move into illegal hands. "As a public-health person, I'd like to be able to figure out that path," he added.

Let's focus on the small minority of highly charged incidents instead of your run of the mill gun crimes. That way we'll come to a reasonable sober solution, NOT.

 

[Cuddles]

There are millions of illegal firearms on the street. If you actually went looking, you'd be stunned at how easy it is to get an illegal, untraceable firearm.

Regardless, I don't have a problem with full background checks at all. Restrictions on new guns, depending on what they were, could be something I would support. What do you mean by that?

18 yo for pistols (with lower capacity),and bolt action rifles/shotguns.

21+ for semi auto + mandatory training+ some keep under lock and key provision (you can keep your pistols/shotguns out)

Don't know enough about gun fair loopholes but sounds like a problem

 

[Tsing Tao]

Where do think most criminals get their guns? Joes Gun Shop on 5th and Main?

First of all, a criminal getting a gun is - by definition - illegal. But a potential criminal can go through many legal methods that should be blocked to them currently. The 3rd party transfer is probably the biggest loophole out there.

 

[Tsing Tao]

18 yo for pistols (with lower capacity),and bolt action rifles/shotguns.

21+ for semi auto + some keep under lock and key provision (you can keep your pistols/shotguns out)

It's 21 right now for pistols (to purchase). Do you propose lowering it? It is 18 to possess a pistol (which makes no sense to me if the age to purchase is 21).

 

[Cuddles]

Let's focus on the small minority of highly charged incidents instead of your run of the mill gun crimes. That way we'll come to a reasonable sober solution, NOT.

I understand the bulk gun deaths are on the street, but that's not what people are calling to curtail

 

[Cuddles]

It's 21 right now for pistols (to purchase). Do you propose lowering it? It is 18 to possess a pistol (which makes no sense to me if the age to purchase is 21).

Federal or state? I'd have thought purchase would be legal thanks to the 2nd?

Shows how much I know

 

[DTB2]

I understand the bulk gun deaths are on the street, but that's not what people are calling to curtail

Riiight.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Federal or state? I'd have thought purchase would be legal thanks to the 2nd?

Shows how much I know

Federal law prohibits handgun sales under 21. But states allow possession of these handguns to folks 18 and over. Makes no sense. Should be 21 for all firearms, period. The problem is, of course, with those who serve in the military. They'll be like "wait, I can fire guns at people you want me to kill in Iraq, but you don't trust me to own a weapon here at home??"

I get their point. I don't know what solution there is there, except to offer an exception to those with active military service.

But kids these days are just too immature to own firearms. I see it all the time at the range.

 

[Tsing Tao]

I understand the bulk gun deaths are on the street, but that's not what people are calling to curtail

But they should. Perhaps if they were out there trying to stop the everyday violence, they'd have more credibility when speaking out for these tragedies.