Civil discourse on gun control

[Cuddles]

Federal law prohibits handgun sales under 21. But states allow possession of these handguns to folks 18 and over. Makes no sense. Should be 21 for all firearms, period. The problem is, of course, with those who serve in the military. They'll be like "wait, I can fire guns at people you want me to kill in Iraq, but you don't trust me to own a weapon here at home??"

I get their point. I don't know what solution there is there, except to offer an exception to those with active military service.

But kids these days are just too immature to own firearms. I see it all the time at the range.

Troops would of course be granted an exception which would continue it they completed their tour or were honorably discharged. We already do it with alcohol.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Troops would of course be granted an exception which would continue it they completed their tour or were honorably discharged. We already do it with alcohol.

There's a bill to propose allowing military servicemen to drink wine and beer under 21, but I'm not aware of any law allowing them to do so currently (unless you mean while deployed).

But I think we can agree on the gun restriction being sound.

 

[Cuddles]

But they should. Perhaps if they were out there trying to stop the everyday violence, they'd have more credibility when speaking out for these tragedies.

Sounds like it's easier to keep guns off a random lunatic rather than a few hundred thousand criminals.

Given the rabidness of gun owners to restrictions.

 

[Arnie]

I understand the bulk gun deaths are on the street, but that's not what people are calling to curtail

One thing I've learned about liberals like yourself, you always want to base policy on the statistical outliers.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Sounds like it's easier to keep guns off a random lunatic rather than a few hundred thousand criminals.

Given the rabidness of gun owners to restrictions.

But isn't the argument of gun control to put laws in place that affect millions of legal gun owners and followers of the law to prevent a few maniacs from going off the rails?

 

[Tsing Tao]

Right now, I can go to a gun show and approach a private individual with cash and purchase a firearm that he is selling. If he is following the law, he will provide a third party form that looks like this for me to sign. Ideally, he will ask me for my driver's license and enter the data in from my ID. He will then keep this form. He is under no obligation to file this form with anyone.

Frequently, the seller will simply have the buyer fill out the data, not verifying anything.

This is a serious gap in firearm safety and should be immediately addressed.

 

[Tom B]

Right now, I can go to a gun show and approach a private individual with cash and purchase a firearm that he is selling. If he is following the law, he will provide a third party form that looks like this for me to sign. Ideally, he will ask me for my driver's license and enter the data in from my ID. He will then keep this form. He is under no obligation to file this form with anyone.

Frequently, the seller will simply have the buyer fill out the data, not verifying anything.

This is a serious gap in firearm safety and should be immediately addressed.

I agree. It's really a "private party sale" loophole, not a "gun show" loophole. All licensed fire arms dealers are required to do a background check at gun shows.

 

[Tsing Tao]

I agree. It's really a "private party sale" loophole, not a "gun show" loophole. All licensed fire arms dealers are required to do a background check at gun shows.

Yep. Lots of folks on the left will call it the gun show loophole, because they don't understand it. It just happens most of the time at a gun show. But you can go to gunbroker.com or other sites to find individuals selling weapons.

I sold a Sig .380 to an individual I met through gunbroker. I took all of his information, checked the ID myself, etc and still have the forum years later in my safe in case the Feds ever come to me on it. But I was not required to bring him to an FFL to have them run a background check.

This is a problem with the law.

 

[Cuddles]

Yep. Lots of folks on the left will call it the gun show loophole, because they don't understand it. It just happens most of the time at a gun show. But you can go to gunbroker.com or other sites to find individuals selling weapons.

I sold a Sig .380 to an individual I met through gunbroker. I took all of his information, checked the ID myself, etc and still have the forum years later in my safe in case the Feds ever come to me on it. But I was not required to bring him to an FFL to have them run a background check.

This is a problem with the law.

I can deposit a check using my phone.... It could be that simple to register a private sale

 

[Tsing Tao]

I can deposit a check using my phone.... It could be that simple to register a private sale

It absolutely could - provided the government could put together such an App. We all know that "government" and "cutting edge technology" don't exactly go together.