Church Tax, Wadda ya think?

Quote from Free Thinker:

"The most preposterous notion that H. Sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all of history. "Robert Heinlein

FreeThinker, my issue with your posts usually boils down to the fact that you make so many assumptions about people who 'believe in God'. It makes your argument easy to assume those things, but it's a cheap way to debate. Don't take it personally; I think you know what I'm saying.
 
Quote from nickdes:

No you despise religion for a host of other reasons!!!!!! Maybe what you really despise is the way you are living. : )

There are certainly other reasons, but tax breaks are one of those reasons.

I quite enjoy the way I live. Freedom FROM religion. I'm not afraid I'll burn in hell if I don't talk to myself before bed every night. And I enjoy sleeping in on Sundays after drinking all night Saturday.
 
Quote from Free Thinker:

most churches only give out about 10% to charity work and even that is somehow related to gaining new converts. most of the money is eaten up maintaining fancy buildings and salaries.



Got a link for that?
 
Quote from olias:

FreeThinker, my issue with your posts usually boils down to the fact that you make so many assumptions about people who 'believe in God'. It makes your argument easy to assume those things, but it's a cheap way to debate. Don't take it personally; I think you know what I'm saying.

assumptions? been there done that. i speak from experience.
 
Quote from Kassz007:

... Just because I believe or don't believe in certain things does not mean I should have to pay taxes and you don't.
You talking about religion, or governments redistribution of wealth from tax payers to non tax payers?

Or is there a difference?

(I agree churches should pay taxes)
 
Quote from Free Thinker:

i was responding to the charitable work claim about churches. the truth is if secular charities operated with the same 90% overhead ratio as church charities they would be shut down for fraud.

Much of what you call "overhead" -- for instance pastors' salaries -- I would classify as charitable (of course, you're free to disagree). Typical pastors spend a lot of time on pastoral care -- tending to the sick and dying. Sometimes those folks are congregants, but very often they aren't. Many a human being has spent his/her last day or two on this earth with only a pastor to hold his/her hand -- the kids and grandkids lost interest years ago when gramps/gramma's Alzheimer's started to worsen. Do speak to a real-life pastor or two to get a sense of what they really do with their days on this Earth. And, as mentioned, for this privilege, they get to pay higher-than-W2 taxes.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

You talking about religion, or governments redistribution of wealth from tax payers to non tax payers?

Or is there a difference?

(I agree churches should pay taxes)

Good point.
 
The idea of taxing churches really makes no sense. A basic principle of tax law is that the recipient of a gift does not have to pay taxes on it. I suppose the objection is to people getting a charitable deduction for religious donations. That will never happen because it would expose the whole issue of deductibility of other charitable contributions, which predominantly go to liberal organizations. You want a real culture war, bar deductions for religous contributions but allow them for the ACLU.

I'll be ready to discuss raising taxes when the government drops even some minor wasteful spending, like support for public broadcasting.
 
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