China pulls ahead in Stem Cells, U.S. invests in old businesses (autos, finance)

[ba1]

Many of the chronic diseases listed have digestive and supernutritional treatments that are systematically denigrated by the medical industry. From my technical perspective, presentation and guidance of medical science here has been so corrupted and distorted that Soviet "history" is approximately comparable.<BR>

Darwin Awards for most of the population that continues down the medical industrial complex's path of misinformation and iatrogenic chronic diseases. Stem cell treatments in many cases may be like replacing the car engine because you ran out of gas...

 

[Copernicus]

Quote from wilburbear:

U.S. has mortgaged its future to invest in 80's businesses.

Hordes of brokers with slick-backed hair, selling whatever has the highest commission (I worked at a brokerage). And cynical UAW members sealing coke bottles in car doors.

600 years ago China gave up its chance to lead the world. It's astonishing fleet of seagoing ships was ordered burned by the Emperor, and China turned in on itself.

This is the moment where the U.S. drops the ball, instead of making the necessary adjustments.

http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSPEK26484620090408

i have been living in Asia for the past 2 years, there is no such thing as China Miracle. China will not be leading the world in our lifetimes period. The only thing thats impressive is the skyscrapers and infrastructure they have been putting up, as for entreprenurship and invention outside of putting together electronics and making tshirts for the west there is not much going on. It can be done, ex - Taiwan, but it will take much longer than everyone expects. Singapore is doing some exciting things but it is way to small to be a player on the worlds stage.

 

[Renegen]

Competition will be good in a way for America, because it will light a fire in politician's asses. At the same time, they seem to embark on a policy of de-industrialization for the US landscape and that can only be a road to the poorhouse.

I've thought it for a long time now, the countries that have the political will to innovate will be the ones leading the way in the 21st century. Look at how the computer was invented in the US, look at its benefits. You either get on board the latest bandwagons, manhattan project-style scale, or you end up poor and buying everything from abroad.

As for China, let's not kid ourselves that a large percent of the population still has it rough. And there aren't many countries where unemployment leads to immediate fears of social unrest, it's not the best country for the average joe and the government is brutal, but it does invest in new technologies and markets.

 

[IShopAtPublix]

Quote from sandygray66:

You really have no clue. If you gathered information from sources other than your TV, maybe you'd shop at Saks rather than Publix.

I've done business in China for almost 15 years (40+ trips there over that time period). I've never met a more entrepreneurial society. Everyone's out to improve their lives and those of their children through hard work and industriousness. In contrast, Americans by and large have become too accustomed to being entitled to this or that, and thinking they should be taken care of. China today is like America was 100 years ago - land of opportunity, where those who take initiative are rewarded, and society and the economy aren't hamstrung by the lawyers, the governement, the unions (which, ironically, are illegal in this "communist" country), etc.

I can't stop ROTFLMAO at your assessment of the future of China based on what you think you saw on TV during last year's Olympics! Spend 10 minutes on any street corner in China and see for yourself how alive entrepreneurship is in that country!

China's GDP will surpass the U.S.' GDP within 20 years. Very sadly, we in the U.S. are turning into the has-beens of Europe, as China turns into the new America.

If you are telling me to buy groceries from a luxury department store you yourself have no clue. Publix is a good grocery store, I also buy bulk stuff from costco.

US in the 19th century was a country with increased economic opportunities compared to Europe. There was not much in terms of worker's rights but it was par for the course for the timeperiod.

While warfare was the "national past time" in europe, US was building infrastructure mightily (US had more rail mileage than whole of Europe by Vanderbilt's time), US was growing by leaps and miles and for a long time it also stayed away from european imperial stage. China, on the other hand, wants to be a world military superpower at once, which will hamper its development mightily

If you are a bright (non chinese) engineering student would you rather go to MIT/Cal Tech or any university in china? It is self evident. China is not, nor will it ever be, an attractive place for upward mobile individuals who are not asians. Any bright person anywhere in the world would be more inclined to attend harvard/stanford/etc. than any university in china. That itself is HUGE. US in the 19th century(and later on) attracted people with ideas who were escaping static societies in europe.

For crying out loud china has a mausoleum of Mao! What does it say about society? 2008 olympics said a lot about china because it was a country obsessed with appearances and the country that wasted BILLIONS while many of its people suffered (the very same people were not allowed to enter beijing during those olympics) Protests were not allowed, people were(and still are) snatched from the street by the government never to be seen again. A genuine entrepreneur would never tolerate such practices. China is good at counterfeiting and producing cheap crap. Building an insane number of skyscrapers does not make it an equal of the US.


We just need a new opium war.

 

[the1]

No, China will not become the next US but the real question is, Will the US become the next China? This part of your statement sounds awfully familiar.

<i>No freedom, no individualism and no sense of entrepreneurship. "chinese miracle" is nothing more than <b>enslaving and prostituting of a large portion of the population for the benefit of few.</b></i>

Quote from IShopAtPublix:

China will not be another US. 2008 olympics proved that to me decisively.

While China was busy "putting its best face for the world" entry and exit into beijing were restricted and certain polluting industries were (temporarily) shut down(God forbid tourists saw the horrible air quality in beijing, lol).

No freedom, no individualism and no sense of entrepreneurship. "chinese miracle" is nothing more than enslaving and prostituting of a large portion of the population for the benefit of few.

 

[Eight]

Quote from powerfade:

Didn't George Bush ban stem cell research because of pressure from the cruelest people on the planet, the radical religious right?

The myopia and sheer stupidity of that decision takes the breath away.

President Bush denied the use of federal funds for stem cell research harvested from embryos. The left, disguised as scientists, went ballistic, yelling about how millions of people would suffer... meanwhile, embryonic stem cell research elsewhere in the world produced nothing!! The research that is paying off involves use of adult stem cells.. so once again Bush was correct, Bush was right, Bush was vindicated by future events, and the left is still screaming the accusations... go back to your Wiccan thingy or whatever you got up your backside sideways, maybe you listen to KPFA too much or something, I don't care, just get some facts to go with your histrioncs...

 

[MohdSalleh]

Quote from IShopAtPublix:

If you are telling me to buy groceries from a luxury department store you yourself have no clue. Publix is a good grocery store, I also buy bulk stuff from costco.

US in the 19th century was a country with increased economic opportunities compared to Europe. There was not much in terms of worker's rights but it was par for the course for the timeperiod.

While warfare was the "national past time" in europe, US was building infrastructure mightily (US had more rail mileage than whole of Europe by Vanderbilt's time), US was growing by leaps and miles and for a long time it also stayed away from european imperial stage. China, on the other hand, wants to be a world military superpower at once, which will hamper its development mightily

If you are a bright (non chinese) engineering student would you rather go to MIT/Cal Tech or any university in china? It is self evident. China is not, nor will it ever be, an attractive place for upward mobile individuals who are not asians. Any bright person anywhere in the world would be more inclined to attend harvard/stanford/etc. than any university in china. That itself is HUGE. US in the 19th century(and later on) attracted people with ideas who were escaping static societies in europe.

For crying out loud china has a mausoleum of Mao! What does it say about society? 2008 olympics said a lot about china because it was a country obsessed with appearances and the country that wasted BILLIONS while many of its people suffered (the very same people were not allowed to enter beijing during those olympics) Protests were not allowed, people were(and still are) snatched from the street by the government never to be seen again. A genuine entrepreneur would never tolerate such practices. China is good at counterfeiting and producing cheap crap. Building an insane number of skyscrapers does not make it an equal of the US.


We just need a new opium war.

you are one real xenophobic and racist fuckhead. how i wish they would kidnap you and fedex u in a box to the taliban

 

[toc]

Biggest threat to US growth is its aging population and this will effect certain industries. Although in today's global economy market of another nation can become the biggest buyer of domestic goods.

China's miracle is US based, selling cheap items and copied technologies. Take US out of the picture and the whole world pretty much does not know what to produce for the long run.

Communist hold on China stops any free growth of the human society, the main force behind the rise of several great cultures in the past. Till the time China is communist, I would only have limited bets on that nation.

 

[powerfade]

Quote from Eight:
President Bush denied the use of federal funds for stem cell research harvested from embryos.

Exactly. In a different context that decision would be considered insane.

Ah well, in 100 years we'll look back on it as the last pathetic gasp of the radical religious right's attempts to impose their faith-informed 'beliefs' (more like nightmares) on a secular populace. Remember, these are the same people who would deny a teenage kid's right to an abortion after a gang rape.

At least the founding fathers had more common sense than this bunch.

And by the way, if you think I'm a PC, multi-culti, theory-swilling, knee jerk liberal, you're an idiot. I'm nothing of the kind.

Quote from Eight:
embryonic stem cell research elsewhere in the world produced nothing!!

I just re-read your post. I missed this part. There's no question that you're a moron - I'm not even going to bother explaining why because this statement makes it obvious. It's Sunday - have you been speaking in tongues this morning?

 

[the1]

Why are people so quick to label someone as "racist" when all they do is state facts? All this guy did was state a set of facts and you are calling him a racist. What that really does is make you look ignorant. There's a big difference between racist opinion and actual facts.

Quote from MohdSalleh:

you are one real xenophobic and racist fuckhead. how i wish they would kidnap you and fedex u in a box to the taliban