China Economy

China is the trunk and roots. Taiwan and NZ are it's branches. When China "pops", US and the rest of world markets will get decimated. Over 40% of S&P500 earnings are from asia. Get a clue, and stop watching CNBC.

Quote from Dr.Greenback:

They also suffer from severely contaminated water and toxic air pollution. Their markets are a hot air balloon waiting to pop. Currently, you can't short their markets, and there's NO regulations by the Government. This is not a safe play. It's simliar to the 1920's before the 12 year depression.

China is NOT a safe play or investment strategy. New Zealand, Taiwan and other suppliers to china are a better plays.
 
Quote from Tracy McGreedy:

China is the trunk and roots. Taiwan and NZ are it's branches. When China "pops", US and the rest of world markets will get decimated. Over 40% of S&P500 earnings are from asia. Get a clue, and stop watching CNBC.
Why would it pop? I would expect the opposite. They will come shopping to the US and will support struggling US consumer.
 
Quote from trefoil:

Whether the regime over there can survive the first severe recession they get is going to be the question.
I give them less than a 50% chance of surviving such an event, myself.
In the shorter run, say the next 20 or so years, China is it. But past that, India will be where the action is, because of the stability that democracy brings.

Um or there may be no depression or if there is one it wil be in the distant future long after index crosses 10000
 
Quote from Bowgett:

Why would it pop? I would expect the opposite. They will come shopping to the US and will support struggling US consumer.

Did you mean support the US economy by ming up for the declining ability of the US consumer to do so? I don't know how China buying suff in the US is going to help the US consumer.
 
Quote from Tracy McGreedy:

China is the trunk and roots. Taiwan and NZ are it's branches. When China "pops", US and the rest of world markets will get decimated. Over 40% of S&P500 earnings are from asia. Get a clue, and stop watching CNBC.

True.

But China won't pop until the US Fed says so.

Or, in an unlikely scenario - when PRC bankers pull the plug on rates.

#2 won't happen because China has no precedent that would sacrifice growth for a strong yuan. They're playing catch up, remember.

Of course, when it plays out, the Fed will cue Chinese labor and output costs as the 'signal' for restricting US credit.

When and if that comes about - and it very well may not (Bernacke may hyper-inflate) - it'll be impossible to tell who threw the first punch.

Both markets will crash in tandem.
 
Quote from Tracy McGreedy:

bloody hell!

Consider these snapshots of China:

Since 1978, China has averaged 9.4% annual GDP growth

It had a five-fold increase in total output per capita from 1982 to 2002

It had $61 billion in foreign direct investment in 2004 alone and foreign trade of $851 billion, the third-largest in the world

The US trade deficit with China exceeded $200 billion in 2005

China has $750 billion in foreign exchange reserves and is the second-biggest oil importer

Last year it turned out 442,000 new engineers a year; with 48,000 graduates with master's degrees and 8,000 PhDs annually; compared to only 60,000 new engineers a year in the US.

China for the first time (2004) surpassed America to export the most technology wares around the world. China enjoyed a $34 billion trade surplus with the US in advanced technology products in 2004 (The Economist, December 17, 2005). In 2005, the surplus increased to $36 billion

It created 20,000 new manufacturing facilities a year

It holds $252 billion in US Treasury Bonds (plus $48 billion held by Hong Kong)

Among the five basic food, energy and industrial commodities –grain and meat, oil and coal and steel –consumption in China has eclipsed that of the US in all but oil.

China has also gone ahead of the US in the consumption of TV sets, refrigerators and mobile phones

In 1996, China had 7 million cell phones and the US had 44 million. Now China has more mobile phone users than the US has people.

China has about $1 trillion in personal savings and a savings rate of close to 50%; U.S. has about $158 billion in personal savings and a savings rate of about 2% (The Wall Street Journal, Nov 19, 2005)
Shanghai boasts 4,000 skyscrapers – double the number in New York City (The Wall Street Journal, Nov 19, 2005)
Songbei, Harbin City in north China is building a city as big as New York City

Goldman Sachs predicts that China will surpass the US economy by 2041.

I don't believe the numbers. China's GDP is only about $3 Trillion. That's a fourth or fifth of the US.

John
 
Quote from jficquette:

I don't believe the numbers. China's GDP is only about $3 Trillion. That's a fourth or fifth of the US.

John

This kind of reply makes me seriously impatient.
I despise the OP with a passion. I think he/she/it is an ignorant ass.
However, the above is equally ignorant. You're quoting GDP at exchange rate equivalence, which in the case of China is just plain stupid.
At PPP (Purchasing Power Parity, for the unwashed) China's GDP comes in at - drum rolls puhleeze - 10.21 trillion, not too far behind the US, and comfortably ahead of Japan, allegedly the second largest economy on the planet.
Which is, to put it politely, pure, unadulterated bullshit.

Source: <a href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html">The CIA World Factbook</a>.

Use it. These bastids do know what they're doing. If Dubya had half the brain of the GEICO gecko, he would've let them finish Bin Laden. But that's another story entirely.
 
The Chinese middle class, wage growth, consumer spending is rising too fast. There is no doubt about this. At some point, China will be forced to limit export of it's fabricated goods to sustain it's own consumption rates. The effect is twofold.

US, in "the decade of hyperinflation" with rates over 10% will in turn revert back to becoming a manufacturing nation and besides having to manufacture for itself, will export goods to China, and then finally adopting the true strong dollar policiy (by then called the Amero) many years from the big dollar fallout of '09.

"Cheap American Goods" paradigm shift is happening NOW. This will be further made possible by the new working class which came from massive bankruptcy and 10's of millions of foreclosures. You are witnesing the construction of our peon working class right NOW.

1) Illegal immigrants, population growth will be exponential reaching the 100 million mark by 2018 and 2) Indebted labor will rise from the ashes of the greatest credit bust in US history. People will literally be working just for food, water and shelter. Look around you. Don't deny that you don't see all those Mexicans working for scraps. CNBC doesn't want you to know that you live half a mile away from basically impoverished slaves. Close your eyes why don't you.

Thousands upon thousands of factories will be built out of these people to fab goods at low cost.

We'll get what everyone wants.. The return of......

"MADE IN THE USA"


Quote from Bowgett:

Why would it pop? I would expect the opposite. They will come shopping to the US and will support struggling US consumer.
 
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