Chicago Futures Trader Charged with Causing $13 Million in Losses from Fraudulent Trading Scheme

[Bobbybax]

In the old days of the "Brazilian" trade, the clearers risk equaled your gain.

 

[comagnum]

Don't put on the trade if you cant do the time.

 

[TraDaToR]

950000 deep out of the money options...LOL

 

[bone]

950000 deep out of the money options...LOL

I know, right ?!?!!. WTF kind of firm Principal or Risk Manager allows that kind of position... And in terms of risk management - a simple free Excel options pricing macro off the internet would have exposed the whole charade.

 

[tommcginnis]

I see this as an indictment of the CME/CBOT's shitty options on futures settlement and Marked to Market policy as much as malevolent gamesmanship on Lindstrom's part. Surely the CBOE has a better settlement policy for very small increment OTM options ?

So often, what passes for "management" in finance (of all sorts!) is knee-jerkedness, *preceded* by severe blinders, lorded-over by CYA maneuvers. This includes Chicago, but also (apparently) Rock_Cap. The answer to your, "Surely, the CBOE has...." is a soft-peddled "no."

Nobody wanted the rock the boat, challenge the status quo, bring up ugly numbers, work the late shift, etc etc. I'll bet we've *all* seen it. (But we hold certain institutions to such high station -- "THEY would never act so short-sighted as this...."

No-ooooo.

 

[TraDaToR]

I know, right ?!?!!. WTF kind of firm Principal or Risk Manager allows that kind of position... And in terms of risk management - a simple free Excel options pricing macro off the internet would have exposed the whole charade.

And what about CFTC?

 

[Sig]

And what about CFTC?

I don't think the CFTC has any reason to question someone simply for purchasing OTM options that expire worthless? What's the Futures Act crime there? You have to remember, federal agencies have assigned jurisdictions and jobs. Finding an employee trying to trick his boss into a higher bonus isn't one of them.

 

[TraDaToR]

Yes. But I was thinking about position limits. They don't apply to options?

 

[traderjo]

- in such a prop situation if the long option position is not closed does the trader gets the bonus/ payment? I mean are these guys not paid only on "actual Realised profits"
also I am assuming that the firm funded him to purchase those 950000 option knowing that worst case scenario is 100% loss
so was the 13 million cost of those bought options? I don't get it

 

[newwurldmn]

- in such a prop situation if the long option position is not closed does the trader gets the bonus/ payment? I mean are these guys not paid only on "actual Realised profits"
also I am assuming that the firm funded him to purchase those 950000 option knowing that worst case scenario is 100% loss
so was the 13 million cost of those bought options? I don't get it

Typically paid (and fired) on marked to market.