Catholicism is not Christianity

[themickey]

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[vanzandt]

That's a pretty stupid comment.

Did you just call me stupid?!
You need to dig up and listen bitch.

there are certain "non-negotiables" most of which Catholic doctrine either denies or directly contradicts.

Non-negotiable by who?!!!! Show me Jesus' power of attorney on whatever f'ing document it is you apparently have possession of. And it's not the Bible home-boy.

You interpret the Bible your way, the Catholics do it their way. Who crowned you the authority on this stuff? What f'ing religion are you anyway? Southern Baptist?

You can say all you want about the Catholic Church and pedo priests... it's an easy shot, but there are more Catholics in this world doing the real work of Jesus, comforting the sick, serving the poor, and teaching the love of all of mankind... than any Bible thumping... "It's our way or the highway (to hell)"... missionary bs from the First Baptist Church of East Bumfuck, Arkansas will ever do. And they've been doing it for 100's of years, long before Pasture Beauregard of said organization was ever born.

Ya know it's people that think like you... regardless of religion.... that are so f'ing tunnel-visioned... that are the real reason this world has bs like wars etc.

"Dumb like a f'n stump." ~ Andrew Clay Dice

 

[M.W.]

You should bow out of this, this topic is way over your head. You clearly demonstrate that you know nothing about this topic but you get all emotional. Not a good starting place.

By the way, saying "a stupid idea" is not the same than saying "you are stupid.". You are a pretty sensitive boy, aren't you.

Did you just call me stupid?!
You need to dig up and listen bitch.



Non-negotiable by who?!!!! Show me Jesus' power of attorney on whatever f'ing document it is you apparently have possession of. And it's not the Bible home-boy.

You interpret the Bible your way, the Catholics do it their way. Who crowned you the authority on this stuff? What f'ing religion are you anyway? Southern Baptist?

You can say all you want about the Catholic Church and pedo priests... it's an easy shot, but there are more Catholics in this world doing the real work of Jesus, comforting the sick, serving the poor, and teaching the love of all of mankind... than any Bible thumping... "It's our way or the highway (to hell)"... missionary bs from the First Baptist Church of East Bumfuck, Arkansas will ever do. And they've been doing it for 100's of years, long before Pasture Beauregard of said organization was ever born.

Ya know it's people that think like you... regardless of religion.... that are so f'ing tunnel-visioned... that are the real reason this world has bs like wars etc.

"Dumb like a f'n stump." ~ Andrew Clay Dice

 

[vanzandt]

By the way, saying "a stupid idea" is not the same than saying "you are stupid.". You are a pretty sensitive boy, aren't you.

I'll give ya that.

But either way, I stand behind what I wrote.

 

[aquarian1]

Here is an example of the Catholic church:

"protests against:

• indulgences
• advocating for married priests and
• having the Liturgy and the language of the people

angered many in the Catholic church and he faced imprisonments and trials and spent the last week of his life imprisoned in a Franciscan Monastery he was condemned by the Council of Constance and on July 6 14 15 he was executed on this justification by the civil government by being burned at the stake."

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So if you protest against:

• indulgences = buying your way into Heaven
• advocating for married priests = just think then they wouldn't sodomize little boys
• having the Liturgy and the language of the people = just imagine people being allowed to hear the 'Word of God' in a language they can understand instead of being concealed and having to come to a priest for "what do the scriptures say" and "what is being said in this ceremony?"

You get burned at the stake. Very Christian

https://www.
youtube.com/watch?v=yQ0aLBlhaZc

 

[TrailerParkTed]

I missed these ideas in New Testament studies. Is it Anti Christ philosophy and do we throw away all his ideas?


On the Jews and Their Lies (1543)
By

Martin Luther (1483 - 1546)

Part XI



“What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do, we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blasphemy. Thus we cannot extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets speak, nor can we convert the Jews

1. to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians.”
2. “Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them the fact that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.”
3. “Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them.”
4. “Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb.”
5. “Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they are not lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let them stay at home.”
6. “Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping. The reason for such a measure is that, as said above, they have no other means of earning a livelihood than usury, and by it they have stolen and robbed from us an they possess. […] Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed one hundred, two hundred, or three hundred florins, as personal circumstances may suggest. With this he could set himself up in some occupation for the support of his poor wife and children, and the maintenance of the old or feeble.”
7. “Seventh, I recommend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow, as was imposed on the children of Adam (Gen. 3 [:19]). For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting., and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants http://jdstone.org/cr/files/martin_luther/onthejewsandtheirlies11.html

 

[Good1]

I missed these ideas in New Testament studies. Is it Anti Christ philosophy and do we throw away all his ideas?

Wow i wonder if it isnt a coincidence that Luther came out of Germany, or that Luther had some influence on Germans, who some centuries later, were a little too willing to go along with the prejudices of Hitler...whether there is some correlation there. But yah, and Luther had at least as much venom for the Papacy. I guess years of climbing stone stairs on your knees can make you a little cranky, jaded, and short of temper. But Luther's "saved by grace through faith" emphasis is still popular world wide while it's believers aren't sure whether to love and support the Jews (send billions in aid to Israel), or hate and avoid them. There is a kind of bible believer who might conclude that while they are saved by faith, Jews are saved by blood inheritance. Thus, a Jew, a Messianic Jew, who both believes and has the right blood type, is saved twice over. If you don't have the right blood, you can at least move closer to Jerusalem and join a kibbutz till the messiah comes (for the first time for a Jew and for the second time for a Goyim believer).

Personally, i would just discard all of Luther's ideas, starting with the worship (worth-ship) of the concept of faith, and the idea that it has currency in heaven to purchase salvation. First of all faith is the chief sin, if you consider that knowledge is the chief solution. These are exactly opposites, and cannot coexist. While knowledge is real, faith is a fake faux substitute which pretends to know. It doesn't. Hence ignorance. Hence suffering. Hence evil.

Faith does save believers, depending on what you are trying to save. People are saved by faith (if you are trying to save people). However, Christ is saved by knowledge (if you are trying to save Christ). People are saved by the death of knowledge, or any being which owns all knowledge (Christ). Whereas Christ is saved by knowing that Christ can't die, ever, even for three days. In this way, Christ is saved from believers and their faith flavors of the month.

Bottom line, that which believes (has faith) knows nothing. While that which knows believes nothing.

Everything included with faith accrues to speculation, such as speculation about the "grace" of "God", and speculation about what is to be saved, ie. "me, Luther".

Beware any interpretation/religion which is saved by the death of the very embodiment of knowledge and truth. If knowledge is synonymous with light, expect something vague, opaque, confusing, and yes, even dark.

Let's get serious. Fish are saved by water by the grace of rain. Dogs are saved by dog food by the grace of Purina. Flies are saved by big stinking piles of manure by the grace of cows and Chris Christy is saved by another sandwich from Arby's.

Faith is merely the environment in which man lives, and cannot live without. How is this a virtue? Man is a slave to faith. Conversely, man cannot live (or even seem to exist or ever have existed) in an environment permeated with knowledge. Thus, faith has never been granted to man on the basis of "grace" or any kind of benevolent good will. Faith is actually a curse. What kind of "God" would give such a thing and call it "good"? What kind of "God" would take faith as currency for safe passage in his kingdom? Oh yah, the same kind of "God" who would take blood as currency.

Luther the hypocrite, complaining about indulgences, given by the grace of the Catholic church, with which to purchase passage into the eternal kingdom...but offering the people the token coins of faith and blood instead with which to purchase same passage. If you offer people Christ's blood as these trinket coins, don't be surprised when your own blood is required for the next hot war.

You know who else is saved by the death of the truth? MSNBC

Not one human being lacks an abundance of faith. Which might be why the part of the bible that Luther ignores says, "In Christ, there is neither male nor female". By one standard (mere faith) the whole human race should be saved. By another standard, not one male or female will be saved.

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[Good1]

"The first casualty of war is the truth".

Who coined the phrase, "The first casualty of War is Truth" ? . | Notes and Queries | guardian.co.uk (theguardian.com)

Regardless who coined it ( a U.S. Senator?), it has the ring of truth to it. Take the war in Ukraine, for example. Before any blood was shed, there were rhetoric, lies, propaganda, spin, and even the living corpse of Operation Mockingbird, which saves MSNBC, just as the political assassination of Trump saved CNN.

The point is that we never want to be saved by the death of truth, any kind of truth, even the virtual embodiment of truth, "Christ". This is why i suggest that if you peddle the death of Christ as a solution, don't be surprised if your own blood is required in the next hot war. You are literally depending on the primary precursor of war for your own life!

So we know that propaganda (the death of truth) is a precursor to hot (bloody) war. Perpetual conflict.

You know who else is saved by blood? Manuel the Mosquito, and Vinny the Vampire.

How is Calvin the Christian better than them?

This is particularly important to understand when you consider that whatever you do to Christ you do to yourself. This is because it is you, the male or female, which substitutes for Christ, not the other way round. Whatever is wished upon Christ (ie. death) is what eventually comes to your door, looking for blood.

Given so much ill will wished upon Christ, it is very dangerous to be Christ's substitutes.

 

[TrailerParkTed]

"The first casualty of war is the truth".

Who coined the phrase, "The first casualty of War is Truth" ? . | Notes and Queries | guardian.co.uk (theguardian.com)

Regardless who coined it ( a U.S. Senator?), it has the ring of truth to it. Take the war in Ukraine, for example. Before any blood was shed, there were rhetoric, lies, propaganda, spin, and even the living corpse of Operation Mockingbird, which saves MSNBC, just as the political assassination of Trump saved CNN.

The point is that we never want to be saved by the death of truth, any kind of truth, even the virtual embodiment of truth, "Christ". This is why i suggest that if you peddle the death of Christ as a solution, don't be surprised if your own blood is required in the next hot war. You are literally depending on the primary precursor of war for your own life!

So we know that propaganda (the death of truth) is a precursor to hot (bloody) war. Perpetual conflict.

You know who else is saved by blood? Manuel the Mosquito, and Vinny the Vampire.

How is Calvin the Christian better than them?

This is particularly important to understand when you consider that whatever you do to Christ you do to yourself. This is because it is you, the male or female, which substitutes for Christ, not the other way round. Whatever is wished upon Christ (ie. death) is what eventually comes to your door, looking for blood.

Given so much ill will wished upon Christ, it is very dangerous to be Christ's substitutes.

“2 Tim 4:
3For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. 4They will reject the truth and chase after myths.

5But you should keep a clear mind in every situation. Don’t be afraid of suffering for the Lord. Work at telling others the Good News, and fully carry out the ministry God has given you.

6As for me, my life has already been poured out as an offering to God. The time of my death is near. 7I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, and I have remained faithful. 8And now the prize awaits me—the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give me on the day of his return. And the prize is not just for me but for all who eagerly look forward to his appearing.”



Col 2:
4I am telling you this so no one will deceive you with well-crafted arguments. 5For though I am far away from you, my heart is with you. And I rejoice that you are living as you should and that your faith in Christ is strong.

Freedom from Rules and New Life in Christ

6And now, just as you accepted Christ Jesus as your Lord, you must continue to follow him. 7Let your roots grow down into him, and let your lives be built on him. Then your faith will grow strong in the truth you were taught, and you will overflow with thankfulness.

8Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powersa of this world, rather than from Christ. 9For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.b 10So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

11When you came to Christ, you were “circumcised,” but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision—the cutting away of your sinful nature.c 12For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead.

13You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15In this way, he disarmedd the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross.

16So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality. 18Don’t let anyone condemn you by insisting on pious self-denial or the worship of angels,e saying they have had visions about these things. Their sinful minds have made them proud, 19and they are not connected to Christ, the head of the body. For he holds the whole body together with its joints and ligaments, and it grows as God nourishes it.

20You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as, 21“Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”? 22Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them. 23These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires.”

 

[Good1]

“2 Tim 4:
3For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. 4They will reject the truth and chase after myths.

5But you should keep a clear mind in every situation. Don’t be afraid of suffering for the Lord. Work at telling others the Good News, and fully carry out the ministry God has given you.

6As for me, my life has already been poured out as an offering to God. The time of my death is near. 7I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, and I have remained faithful. 8And now the prize awaits me—the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give me on the day of his return. And the prize is not just for me but for all who eagerly look forward to his appearing.”




Col 2:
4I am telling you this so no one will deceive you with well-crafted arguments. 5For though I am far away from you, my heart is with you. And I rejoice that you are living as you should and that your faith in Christ is strong.

Freedom from Rules and New Life in Christ

6And now, just as you accepted Christ Jesus as your Lord, you must continue to follow him. 7Let your roots grow down into him, and let your lives be built on him. Then your faith will grow strong in the truth you were taught, and you will overflow with thankfulness.

8Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powersa of this world, rather than from Christ. 9For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.b 10So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

11When you came to Christ, you were “circumcised,” but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision—the cutting away of your sinful nature.c 12For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead.

13You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15In this way, he disarmedd the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross.

16So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality. 18Don’t let anyone condemn you by insisting on pious self-denial or the worship of angels,e saying they have had visions about these things. Their sinful minds have made them proud, 19and they are not connected to Christ, the head of the body. For he holds the whole body together with its joints and ligaments, and it grows as God nourishes it.

20You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as, 21“Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”? 22Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them. 23These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires.”

Not sure what you mean since these are not your words. Whose words are they?

Oh, the apostate Paul, who began his career as the student of the chief high priest in Jerusalem, extended his career by prosecuting people for trying to follow Jesus, gladly helped murder Stephen, one of the most authentic teachers of the time, and twenty years after Jesus ascended, claimed to be blinded by he who is known for the opposite (opening eyes), saying he saw what amounts to an angel from heaven, but also says that even if you saw an angel from heaven you could not necessarily believe it was not a manifestation of the devil.

Paul, who interpreted what he thought his experiences meant, and interpreted what he had heard, but hardly ever quoted Jesus himself.

Paul, who was so much better than the rest of the apostles, who could hardly get along with his own cohorts, and was so obnoxious to world peace he got rail-roaded out of not a few small towns.

Paul, the one so jealous of "his" gospel, compared to others (emphasis there were others).

Paul, who said that in Christ, there is neither male nor female, but encouraged married people to fornicate in holy beds.

Paul, who quoted scripture as saying, "Awake, oh ye who sleep in Christ", but which doesn't appear in scripture anywhere, but which he probably stole out of the pocket of Stephen's coat that he held when he watched him being stoned.

Paul, the cognitive dissonant sinner who changed his stripes, but not his spots.

Paul, who instead of destroying the nascent group of followers form the outside, ended up destroying it from the inside, anyone naive enough to believe his interpretations.

Paul, who complained about Judaizers, who put a Jewish spin on everything Jesus ever said, but was the chief alpha Judaizer trying to integrate old testament folklore into everything Jesus was said to have ever said. We don't know, cause like i said, he was more fond of his own voice than the voice of Jesus, which he did not quote but perhaps two small times, misinterpreting each time.

Paul, keen to psychologically capture anyone interested in saving his own skin, even at the expense of the blood of Christ.

Paul, who actually contradicts James, whom James found to be so obnoxious that he convinced Paul to shave his head and go to the temple with his non-Jewish cohort, upon which he was nearly stoned himself, saved by Romans, and two years later beheaded by same for being a really obnoxious disturber of the peace.

The war in Ukraine began with the death of the truth about Russia and Putin.
Your personal wars begin with the death of the truth (your bogus interpretation) about Christ and Christ's kingdom.
These wars, all wars, are correlated this way.