Captain Sanders: Civil War

Washington (CNN)Hillary Clinton is the presumptive Democratic nominee, but the party's civil war is set to continue at the Democratic Convention in Philadelphia as Bernie Sanders and his supporters fight for control of the platform -- the party's statement of its values and beliefs.

Sanders has been pulling Clinton to the left throughout the campaign, on everything from trade to the environment. The crafting of the platform offers a rare chance to enshrine many of those changes and Sanders and his supporters are ready for battle.

Sanders won a key concession from the Democratic National Committee last month securing five seats on the 15-member panel writing the platform (Clinton won six seats and DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz picked four members.)

One of the first steps will come Wednesday and Thursday when the DNC's platform-drafting committee meets in Washington to hear testimony on possible changes.

Here are the platform fights to watch this summer:

Israel
America's relationship with Israel is likely to be the nastiest fight in Philadelphia. The starkest indication that Clinton and Sanders were on two separate worlds when it comes to Israel came at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee's annual conference in March -- Clinton delivered a fairly mainline argument in support of Israel as a cherished partner in the Middle East. But Sanders, the only Jewish candidate in the field, delivered a broadside from the other side of the country -- skipping the conference and blasting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

"To my mind, as friends, we are obligated to speak the truth as we see it. This is what real friendship demands, especially in difficult times," Sanders said.
Driving home that point will be two of Sanders' five selections for the group which is drafting the platform -- James Zogby, president of the Arab American Institute, once compared Israel's treatment of Palestinians to the Holocaust and Cornel West, a prominent surrogate for Sanders throughout the campaign, once blasted Netanyahu as a "war criminal" in a 2014 rally (later in the speech he also called Obama a "war criminal" for using drone strikes).

Zogby defended his role in a rare blog post Monday, after he said he heard two men at a restaurant blasting his involvement in writing the platform.

"In addition to all of the other critical issues Bernie Sanders has raised, he has done our nation and the cause of peace a service by bringing the matter of Israel/Palestine into the national debate. It belongs there and deserves to be discussed on its merits, without rancor and without fear," Zogby wrote.

Fracking
Sanders has drawn sharp distinctions between himself and Clinton on fracking -- hydraulic fracturing to reach oil and gas deposits -- throughout the campaign, and especially in his run in California.

He then said the party itself needs to take a clear stance against the practice.
"I hope that the Democratic Party platform decides it is on the side of the American people, and I would hope that the Democratic party makes it clear that it has the guts to stand up the fossil fuel industry. That's exactly what I expect in the Democratic National Convention, to do what the American people want," Sanders said last week.

Sanders blasted Clinton in April, accusing her of flatly supporting the controversial practice.Clinton supported fracking during her time at the State Department, but has taken a more nuanced approach as a candidate.

Keystone XL Pipeline
Count this as a battle Sanders has already largely won, hammering away at the Keystone XL pipeline until Clinton, fairly early in the race, announced her clear opposition to it as well -- after avoiding taking a position on it.

Representing Sanders will be the leader of the fight against the Keystone XL pipeline, Bill McKibben, and representing Clinton will be former Environmental Protection Agency Carol Browner -- who fought ardently for carbon dioxide limits as the leader of Obama's environmental efforts.

Trade
Sanders has also pulled Clinton to the left on trade, spurring her to oppose the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The platform approved at the 2012 convention calls for "free and fair trade" -- with a focus on spurring exports while maintaining human rights, environmental and other protections. The key question will be whether the party drops the "free" from its platform.

In one of the most awkward positions of an incredible campaign season, Sanders and Clinton now stand to the left of Obama on trade, eight years after his campaign was given the reins of the platform as the party's presumptive nominee.

Like most battles, on trade, the party has to decide how big its tent will be.
Party leaders and delegates have to strike a balance between saying something clear and bold and leaving enough space for the vast majority of Democrats to support, said Christine Pelosi, daughter of House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi and a veteran of party platform battles in California and at the DNC.
Each side, she said, should send in their strongest voice with the hopes that their position is adopted and not start from a point of concessions.

"The warriors have the best diplomatic skills because they know what it is to fight, therefore they can be trusted to go back to their people and say 'I gave it our all,'" said Pelosi, who also runs trainings for liberal and Democratic activists. "If you can get them to agree, you can get everyone else to agree. Both sides will say 'We all had the strongest voice at the table.'"

But, she said, at the end, they have to agree on a statement that will be actually written into the platform -- because otherwise the fight wasn't worth it: "There's no point in having a platform fight if, in the end, people are going to just walk away from it."

Wall Street
Sanders wants Depression-era banking regulations, the Glass-Steagall Act, reinstated and Clinton argues that reinstating old rules ignores the complexities of modern finance.

Wall Street has been a glaring weakness for Clinton throughout the campaign as Sanders has blasted her for giving high-dollar speeches to Goldman Sachs and she stumbled in an early debate, citing the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks for her support of Wall Street.

Both candidates support keeping a tight rein on Wall Street -- but Sanders and his supporters have been much starker in their language. Like many of the battles, this one is not a question of "Where does the party go?" but instead, "How far?"

Mo Elleithee, former communications director for the DNC, said most of the fights were already hashed out during the primary and any difference is more a matter of how far to the left does the party shift, versus any dramatic changes.
"On most of the economic, bread-and-butter issue I think it's a matter of degrees, not a matter of direction," said Elleithee, who now runs the Georgetown Institute of Politics and Public Service. "Both candidates and the party as a whole wants to raise the minimum wage. Bodth candidates and the party as a whole believes in Wall Street regulation."

Minimum Wage
Sanders already successfully pulled Clinton to the left on minimum wage -- pushing her from supporting a $12-an-hour minimum to the $15 minimum. The party itself has already adopted the $15 minimum, following a successful push by liberal activists at a DNC meeting last year. And Rep. Keith Ellison, one of Sanders' picks for the platform panel, drafted legislation that would set the federal minimum wage at $15 an hour.

Protesters being organized by Good Jobs Nation plan to show up to the platform drafting hearing in Washington Wednesday to ensure the $15 stays in the platform.

Health Care
Platforms are typically dominated by the presumptive nominee -- the candidate who had long ago locked up the nomination and was the effective leader of the party heading into the convention. And planks inside the platform have often been reserved as consolation prizes for the runner-up.

Universal health care was a consolation prize Clinton won from Obama in 2008, with his promise to make it a centerpiece of the 2008 platform and push for it. But now Clinton is on the other side of that equation, with Sanders and his supporters pushing for the more expansive health care coverage and Clinton defending the new status quo.

Some of Clinton's sharpest attacks throughout the campaign accused Sanders of risking all the expansions achieved through Obamacare. In the heat of the Iowa race, when it appeared Sanders may upset her in the very first contest, Clinton said that Sanders proposal for single-payer health care would risk all the gains made under Obama.

"I don't want us to end up in gridlock. People can't wait. People who have health emergencies can't wait for us to have a theoretical debate about some better idea that will never, ever come to pass," Clinton said.

Black Lives Matter
A year ago, the widespread protests over police shootings which created the Black Lives Matter movement, looked like they could tear the Democratic Party apart -- like the Civil Rights and anti-war protests decades earlier. Black Lives Matter protesters shut down a Sanders rally in Seattle last August and, partly in response, Sanders hired a top BLM activist to be his national press secretary. After watching the stunning takeover of the Sanders rally, Clinton met privately with BLM protesters and later released video of the meeting.

And at then end of last August, as a preventative measure, the DNC adopted a resolution last August saying that the party stands with BLM protesters.
There will be plenty of splits among Democrats in Philadelphia, but Black Lives Matter does not appear to be one of them.

Campaign finance
In 2012, the party included a platform plank blasting the Citizens United decision, then just two years old. But long before the 2016 race Clinton's supporters had embraced the reality of super PACs, launching their own "Ready for Hillary" in 2013.

The dilemma -- accepting super PAC support while blasting the decision that made it possible -- seemed accepted wisdom, but Sanders turned it instead into one of the nastiest battles of the campaign.

Sanders built a movement saying he refused to take money from the "millionaires and billionaires" and promised repeatedly that he would not start his own super PAC. He rarely mentioned her by name, but the campaign finance knocks were aimed squarely at Clinton. The Clinton campaign fired back by noting the nurses union was supporting him with their super PAC.

The party will now have to decide whether opposing the Citizens United decision also means flatly opposing super PACs.

Superdelegates
It's not technically a fight for the party's platform, or even one that will be decided in Philadelphia, but what to do with superdelegates -- Democratic party leaders and officials who are not committed based on election results, but instead are free to support whomever they like -- will be one of the biggest fights for the party.

The idea itself -- of party leaders making selections separate from election results -- harkens back to before the reforms that Democrats made in the wake of their last seriously chaotic convention, 1968 in Chicago. And even though the party shifted from leaders and officials calling the shots, a small pocket of them -- so-called superdelegates -- were kept as a way for the party to unify behind a candidate after a particularly nasty primary fight, like, say, this one.

Clinton is all but certain to win the nomination based on the votes of those superdelegates -- the embodiment of the Democratic establishment Sanders and his supporters have railed against. The Sanders campaign has launched a two-track strategy of attempting to flip those superdelegates to supporting him -- with minimal success so far -- while blasting the system itself.

Elleithee, who was a spokesman for Clinton in 2008, pointed out the irony for Sanders: If superdelegates voted in line with their states' results, Sanders would lose. So he has to exploit the system before he could ever abolish it, he said. He argued it might appear they are swinging the nomination to Clinton, but she would win without them.

"I'm not arguing that it's wrong to have a conversation about the role of superdelegates, all I'm saying is that they have never impacted a nomination," Elleithee said.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/08/politics/democratic-platform-fight/index.html
 
I think Bernie voters are going to vote for Johnson. Fasten your seatbelts - this is the year for the libertarian party.

Young voters to DC: We don’t need you

"...The bigger question involves whether they will vote at all.

“I can’t tell you I have an answer, but I’ll tell you what we’re doing now isn’t working,” said Patricia Mitchell, 32, a paralegal from Bradenton, who said she “likes and dislikes different things” about Trump.

Turnout among voters under 30 plunged in 2012. In 2008, voter turnout for people 18 to 29 was 51 percent, well below any other age group’s percentage but up from 49 percent in 2004 and 40 percent in 2000. In 2012, the turnout dropped to 45 percent; the national figure was 62 percent.

Gilbert voted for Obama in 2008 and Republican Mitt Romney four years ago. This time, he said, “I’m picking leftovers.”..."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/young-voters-to-dc-we-don’t-need-you/ar-BBtNFNO
 
Captain Sanders clearly lives by the motto: Know where you stand, then stand there.

If the Bern isn't endorsing Clinton, it is guaranteed to be logical and in the best interest of those he represents. Its looking more and more like Johnson for Bern supporters.

Sanders’ Long Refusal to
Endorse Clinton Hurts His Leverage

Clinton has moved on to the general election while Sanders is working to push a progressive agenda on the Democratic Party.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...refusal-to-endorse-clinton-hurts-his-leverage
 
The Bern must be just shaking his head in amazement. America, you are owned!

Wall Street tells Hillary Clinton: We'll cut you off if you pick Elizabeth Warren

Wall Street cash or Elizabeth Warren: Hillary's choice

Wall Street has an unambiguous message for Hillary Clinton: Don't pick Elizabeth Warren as your vice president if you want to keep getting our money.

That warning came through very clearly in over a dozen interviews I did over the last week with some of the largest Democratic donors on Wall Street who have helped fund Clinton's campaigns over the years as well as funneled cash to Bill Clinton's political career in the 1990s.

"If Clinton picked Warren, her whole base on Wall Street would leave her," one top Democratic donor who has helped raise millions for Clinton told me. "They would literally just say, 'We have no qualms with you moving left, we understand all the things you've had to do because of Bernie Sanders, but if you are going there with Warren, we just can't trust you, you've killed it.'"...

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/20/wall-street-cash-or-elizabeth-warren-hillarys-choice.html
 
Yes, yes, we know Trump is dangerous, but what about your own proposals? How are you addressing all the points that the Bern has listed above?

That this speech is in Ohio is no accident.

 
She said that Romney and Elizabeth Warren agree that Trump would be bad for the economy. That's reason enough right there to vote for the man.

She noted that the Chamber of Commerce is against him as well. That's because he would interrupt the flow of low wage illegals and immigrants. She is a bit vague on how open borders and more immigrants are going to help the low income people she cares so desperately about. You know, the ones who have lost their jobs under Obama.

Basically, her pitch is that the global elites, who have done so fabulously under Obama, really don't want Trump in charge.
 
She said that Romney and Elizabeth Warren agree that Trump would be bad for the economy. That's reason enough right there to vote for the man.

She noted that the Chamber of Commerce is against him as well. That's because he would interrupt the flow of low wage illegals and immigrants. She is a bit vague on how open borders and more immigrants are going to help the low income people she cares so desperately about. You know, the ones who have lost their jobs under Obama.

Basically, her pitch is that the global elites, who have done so fabulously under Obama, really don't want Trump in charge.
This is all pure nonsense and hearsay. If you want to convince people, you have to:

  1. State how Trump is different than Hilary and why his plans work better for the vast majority of the population
  2. Heck, I will even take just anything that is substantial from Trump that has meat on the bones that can be analysed. Forget about the contrast with Clinton, I can work that out myself.
  3. Clinton has stated, on your last point, that Trumps tax plan would raise taxes on the middle class and redistribute that to about 120,000 people, the top 1%, in the nation.
  4. Cuban has just come out and said that Trump will be even more beholding than Clinton to the rich because he doesn't have anywhere near the money he claims he is worth to support his campaign.

Watch the video. Then address actual points with links to Trumps website that show how she is wrong. Otherwise, we are just gossiping bitches in high school.
 
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I see no need to get that granular. We already know what we will get with Clintons in the WH again. Corruption, sleaze, selling us out to whatever foreign country pays them off, plus idiotic policies like open borders, more involvement in middle eastern adventures, more Sotomayers going on the Supreme Court, relentless push for draconian gun control, etc etc.

We also know Trump has based his campaign on two big concepts, one immigration, and two, trade deals. He wants our allies to pay their fair share of their defense, is skeptical of the need for alliances like NATO that have outlived their rationale and would be cautious in foreign interventions. Powerful vested interests have a lot at stake in these areas and will pull out all the stops to keep him from getting elected.

Tax policy is a sideshow, since neither candidate can do anything without congress.
 
I see no need to get that granular...
Boy but you sure get granular when anyone mentions Trump and Hitler in the same sentence, along with all these other non-sequitur.

It's ok, deflection is a two party trick practiced by politicians on both sides when the questions get tough. There were thirty of them that you could have answered but you zeroed in on one.

But why would someone posting on an anonymous site pretend to be a politician or act like one? I am actually beginning to believe YOU ARE TRUMP! :wtf:

...Tax policy is a sideshow, since neither candidate can do anything without congress.
What? And the immigration and trade policies are not a bipartisan bill with the need of the approval of congress?

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/265680-obama-calls-on-congress-to-pass-pacific-trade-deal

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/subjects/immigration/6206

There might be nothing of greater importance, affecting millions of people and businesses, than the taxation code of the USofA.
 
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There were thirty of them that you could have answered but you zeroed in on one.

Where do you get the idea that I am under some sort of obligation to answer specious and hate-filled columns you cut and paste? Any column that tries to link Trump and Hitler is obviously nonsense and nothing but media slime.

Trump has the power under the Immigration Act to bar classes of immigrants, eg muslims from the middle east, unilaterally. He can also direct ICE to start enforcing the immigration law.

Tax policy is important, but if nothing happens, we will survive as a country. if we don't get a handle on immigration, we might not or at least not in a form any of us recognize.
 
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