Can the president actually shoot someone and be protected by the office he holds?

It is not as simple as those of you who like explanations that fit on a bumper sticker would like.

Whitaker is technically correct. The Founding Fathers, Alexander Hamilton in particularly specifically addressed this issue in the Federalist Papers and specifically rejected the idea that an abuse of power by the president should be a prosecutable crime because the very purpose off the Constitution- among other things- was to get away from the British history where Parliament consisted prosecuted high public officials for abuse of power everytime they had a disagreement over something.

They did not however argue that he was beyond penalty but that the remedy was to impeach and thus the impeachment clause.

The laymen, binary-bumper sticker level thinkers argue that an assertion that abuse is not a crime means he cannot be impeached totally misunderstand the legal and constitutional background at play here. The ability to prosecute for abuse -for a sitting president- is limited and difficult at best. But the ability to impeach for it is there anytime they want. So the argument against criminal prosecution is NOT a barrier to impeachment, and Whitaker is technically correct that the framers wanted prosecution to be difficult but the door is open to prove it as a high crime and misdemeanor if you can do it.

Yeh, I know the binary ones fell out after my first sentence.

That's fine.

We always knew Treefrog was non-binary.

Unfortunately ex acting AG Matt Whitaker is not exactly "laymen". Things are being stretched beyond their elasticity, even down to Mitch the nihilist releasing his gimps (Gohmert etc.) to pay act a stunt on procedure.
 
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It is not as simple as those of you who like explanations that fit on a bumper sticker would like.

Whitaker is technically correct. The Founding Fathers, Alexander Hamilton in particularly specifically addressed this issue in the Federalist Papers and specifically rejected the idea that an abuse of power by the president should be a prosecutable crime because the very purpose off the Constitution- among other things- was to get away from the British history where Parliament consisted prosecuted high public officials for abuse of power everytime they had a disagreement over something.

They did not however argue that he was beyond penalty but that the remedy was to impeach and thus the impeachment clause.

The laymen, binary-bumper sticker level thinkers argue that an assertion that abuse is not a crime means he cannot be impeached totally misunderstand the legal and constitutional background at play here. The ability to prosecute for abuse -for a sitting president- is limited and difficult at best. But the ability to impeach for it is there anytime they want. So the argument against criminal prosecution is NOT a barrier to impeachment, and Whitaker is technically correct that the framers wanted prosecution to be difficult but the door is open to prove it as a high crime and misdemeanor if you can do it.

Yeh, I know the binary ones fell out after my first sentence.

That's fine.

Talk about binary thinking, to you it’s impeach or nothing.

No. The president cannot shoot his political rivals and be insulated from prosecution while in office. Like all rights and protections in the constitution there are limits and the Supreme Court needs to weigh in on what those limits are.
 
Talk about binary thinking, to you it’s impeach or nothing.

Yes, it is impeach or nothing now when it comes to removal. I don't see Trump resigning.

I covered the issue of whether the framers supported criminal prosecution.
They did not for abuse of power which was what posters were self-stimulating about and responding to whitaker, so I was responsive to that issue. duh.

Binary decisions are not necessarily the product of a binary mind as is the case with you. The non-binary mind spends lots and lots of time looking at a wide range of factors before reaching the decision. This is the case with impeachment. I/many of us have looked at a wide range of factors and are ready to go now OR NOT if the dems can't get it up. Yes, it is do or don't do at this point.
 
Yes, it is impeach or nothing now when it comes to removal. I don't see Trump resigning.

I covered the issue of whether the framers supported criminal prosecution.
They did not for abuse of power which was what posters were self-stimulating about and responding to whitaker, so I was responsive to that issue. duh.

Binary decisions are not necessarily the product of a binary mind as is the case with you. The non-binary mind spends lots and lots of time looking at a wide range of factors before reaching the decision. This is the case with impeachment. I/many of us have looked at a wide range of factors and are ready to go now OR NOT if the dems can't get it up. Yes, it is do or don't do at this point.

MaximumPS does the same gibberish now. It is catching.
 
No. The president cannot shoot his political rivals and be insulated from prosecution while in office.

Wrong. This would be an unconstitutional attempt to stage a coup or insurrection, and to preserve the Supremacy Clause and Separation of Powers, the president would be required to use all necessary force to repel it.
 
Yes, it is impeach or nothing now when it comes to removal. I don't see Trump resigning.

I covered the issue of whether the framers supported criminal prosecution.
They did not for abuse of power which was what posters were self-stimulating about and responding to whitaker, so I was responsive to that issue. duh.

Binary decisions are not necessarily the product of a binary mind as is the case with you. The non-binary mind spends lots and lots of time looking at a wide range of factors before reaching the decision. This is the case with impeachment. I/many of us have looked at a wide range of factors and are ready to go now OR NOT if the dems can't get it up. Yes, it is do or don't do at this point.

This thread is about the court needing to weigh in on the extent to which Trump can break the law and be immune from legal action while in office.
 
This thread is about the court needing to weigh in on the extent to which Trump can break the law and be immune from legal action while in office.

And there has been an allegation that he broke the law through a criminal violation of abuse of power and I responded directly and completely to that.

You are welcome.
 
And there has been an allegation that he broke the law through a criminal violation of abuse of power and I responded directly and completely to that.

You are welcome.

If President Trump walked up to some citizen on the street and shot him dead for no reason...Committed a capital crime, and he was NOT immediately arrested and charged with a crime?

Welcome Revolutionary War mark II...This time, the rebels have MANY more guns. Big beautiful guns. More guns than any rebel force in history. Beautiful. And they have flags. Big flags.

People here are losing sight of the trees, because they are lost in the forest. Or something.
 
If President Trump walked up to some citizen on the street and shot him dead for no reason...Committed a capital crime, and he was NOT immediately arrested and charged with a crime?

Welcome Revolutionary War mark II...This time, the rebels have MANY more guns. Big beautiful guns. More guns than any rebel force in history. Beautiful. And they have flags. Big flags.

People here are losing sight of the trees, because they are lost in the forest. Or something.

this is Trump's lawyers saying this.
 
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