Calls to defund police?! Wtf epic fail

[userque]

I still say, without reaearching due to laziness, that a council does not have the power to eliminate a public service that all citizens are entitled to.

I think this will be more peacock posturing in the heat of the moment so we will see. But imagine if someone can come in and decide with the council that the fireman and garbage men should be eliminated and we spend all that money elsewhere? Even though the public rhetoric makes it seem like the public wants it, the average citizen does not want it and would have that counil hauled off for trying.

I'm in the la-z-boy, next to you, with the small, round coffee table between us, being equally, if not more so, lazy, with regard to doing research.

But I must ask, without wondering, except a little, why you say that they are "entitled" to a public service; isn't "entitlement" much different than a "right?"

(For example, we are entitled to drive a vehicle, but have no right to drive.)

And if you actually mean that they have a "right" to police servants, aren't there rural areas with no local police? And if so, why couldn't this be lawfully the case in Minneapolis as well?

I'm just curious as to how you'd square this circle.

 

[Ayn Rand]

I am locked and loaded. Let all the Democratic jurisdictions make a mess of things. It will be interesting to watch.

Shot them all and let God decide.

 

[LacesOut]

lol queef, quantitatively, I am the strongest dude on this site. 405 bench; 240 snatch; 475 squat for two. I’ve survived a fall out of a 3rd story window. I’d turn you into a hand puppet.

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/hit-my-pr.340285/

so many questions...

why did your boyfriend push you out the window?

How do you lift all that weight with a giant cock up your ass? Is it practice?

How do you bulk up your snatch like that? What do you feed it??

 

[El OchoCinco]

I'm in the la-z-boy, next to you, with the small, round coffee table between us, being equally, if not more so, lazy, with regard to doing research.

But I must ask, without wondering, except a little, why you say that they are "entitled" to a public service; isn't "entitlement" much different than a "right?"

(For example, we are entitled to drive a vehicle, but have no right to drive.)

And if you actually mean that they have a "right" to police servants, aren't there rural areas with no local police? And if so, why couldn't this be lawfully the case in Minneapolis as well?

I'm just curious as to how you'd square this circle.

I was focused on the issue that people pay taxes to the city for essential services and it would present an interesting case if the council decides to get rid of one of the services.

BUT TO BE CLEAR....the proposal is not to GET RID OF THE POLICE. It is to dismantle the current entity and rebuild it with different social services and resources rather than just pure foot soldiers with guns. In other words wjen a domestic dispute is called in, social services on call with a policeman for security responds rather than 4 blues.

By the way Camden and Compton did this so we can see what steps they took.

 

[userque]

I was focused on the issue that people pay taxes to the city for essential services and it would present an interesting case if the council decides to get rid of one of the services.

BUT TO BE CLEAR....the proposal is not to GET RID OF THE POLICE. It is to dismantle the current entity and rebuild it with different social services and resources rather than just pure foot soldiers with guns. In other words wjen a domestic dispute is called in, social services on call with a policeman for security responds rather than 4 blues.

By the way Camden and Compton did this so we can see what steps they took.

Thanks, should be interesting.

 

[Nine_Ender]

I am locked and loaded. Let all the Democratic jurisdictions make a mess of things. It will be interesting to watch.

Shot them all and let God decide.

Hopefully you get shot and die. One less degenerate racist on the planet is a good thing.

 

[elderado]

I was focused on the issue that people pay taxes to the city for essential services and it would present an interesting case if the council decides to get rid of one of the services.

BUT TO BE CLEAR....the proposal is not to GET RID OF THE POLICE. It is to dismantle the current entity and rebuild it with different social services and resources rather than just pure foot soldiers with guns. In other words wjen a domestic dispute is called in, social services on call with a policeman for security responds rather than 4 blues.

By the way Camden and Compton did this so we can see what steps they took.

Compton disbanded due to corruption. Quite simply, the Los Angeles County Sheriffs took over.

But hey, this isn't a good look for Los Angeles City Council, now, is it?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1270188701759320064

 

[Specterx]

The USA is both over- and under-policed. This article contains a lot of good info: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...s-crime-criminal-justice-reform-booker-harris

It would probably surprise most here to know that, at least in 2015, minorities were significantly more likely than whites to want a larger police presence in their local area. Minorities who think the police are racially biased were MORE likely to want a higher police presence, vs. those who think the police are fair: https://news.gallup.com/poll/184511/blacks-divided-whether-police-treat-minorities-fairly.aspx

Trained specialists to respond to certain types of calls could work well, as could "community policing" type initiatives. OTOH the USA spends less on policing (as a % of GDP) than most of Europe despite much higher crime rates. Best bet is probably to spend slightly more overall on public safety while increasing specialization, to deploy the available resources more efficiently and cut back on police violence/militarization.

 

[Specterx]

I was focused on the issue that people pay taxes to the city for essential services and it would present an interesting case if the council decides to get rid of one of the services.

BUT TO BE CLEAR....the proposal is not to GET RID OF THE POLICE. It is to dismantle the current entity and rebuild it with different social services and resources rather than just pure foot soldiers with guns. In other words wjen a domestic dispute is called in, social services on call with a policeman for security responds rather than 4 blues.

By the way Camden and Compton did this so we can see what steps they took.

I don't know about Compton but the problem in Camden was the police union sucking the city dry. Christie pulled state funding so they laid off more than half the force, with the remainder racking up sick pay and OT for desk duty rather than responding to calls. Add in poor morale, bad culture, etc.

Reorganizing policing under Camden County meant richer suburbs had a say, each officer cost only half as much as before, and many were enthusiastic new recruits from out of town. Oh, and they introduced a high-tech surveillance grid. I think the days of privacy concerns are well behind us, at least if we want to keep the cities intact this time around.

 

[gwb-trading]

Minneapolis City Council president aspires to have a 'police free society'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/minneapolis-city-council-president-police-free-society

The president of the Minneapolis City Council, who went viral for saying that calling the police when your home is broken into “comes from a place of privilege,” has said she wants a “police-free society.”

Speaking on CNN’s "Cuomo Prime Time" Monday night, Lisa Bender took the idea of disbanding the police a step further.

Host Chris Cuomo told her: “When you say you see someday being police-free that sounds aspirational, a utopian concept where nobody’s committing any crime, because as long as these communities are being preyed upon, both from within and without, there’s gonna have to be good men and women willing to step up to keep people safe.”

She replied: “I think the idea of having a police-free future is very aspirational, and I am willing to stand with community members who are asking us to think of that as the goal.”

(more at above url)