Buying Naked Calls

IC,with all due respect,you going along with Ravars haze of unconsciousness is a bad look.

What trader in his right mind buys a "longer dated" option and hopes for a vol contraction??

Keep in mind BW said he will stop himself out on a fixed loss on the option price.There is no doubling down on a vol implosion as he will be stopped out.Ball game over...

Wrong on every level










1. Agree 5-10% doesn't address vol/vega.

2. I admit, I don't know what I am talking about.

But hear me out, here is some simple math (today's real time quotes):

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1. Let's say today I buy one contract of 6 month ATM ($308) SPY call @ ~$15, IV ~16.

2. If SPY has a growth of 8% (5-10% range). In 6 months, SPY will be @ $323, I break even which is what the market priced the ATM option at.

3. So, the market is expecting 8% growth and there is no edge in buying ATM SPY call.

4. However, if in a week, IV drops to ~8 which is what @raVar said if IV dropped, the ATM SPY call will be ~$8, and I buy one more contract. My average cost will be ~$11.5.

5. In 6 months if today's market price is correct, I would have a profit of $3.5 a share?

Of course SPY won't stay @ $308, SPY might not grow to $323 in six month... But these are all probabilistic outcomes we are talking about at this moment???
 
You should care. His recos suck. What do you have to gain if the guy can’t make money from his own recommendations?

I would only care if I was following Sosnoff's trades. I watch tastytrade for pure entertainment value and I love the network, there isn't really any other financial network out there doing it like them. Real Vision Finance is cool but they are more macro.
 
You need to get HBO.

YouTube has enough entertainment for me lol once in awhile NFLX, but yeah man I just don't understand the hate for Sosnoff.. the guy created a lot of good shit for options and he doesn't have ill-intent. I see so many scammers and fraud traders who SELL services because they can't trade. Sosnoff never sold shit except that Bob the trader app, other than that everything is free and that's honorable.

Its funny how people always bring up Karen too... she was one of TOS biggest clients back when Sosnoff and his team was running shit back in the day so of course they are friends. Who cares if Karen cut corners accounting this is MAGA country man what do people expect? lol
 
Dude, c'mon. Are you simply trolling?

She administered her fund so that she was paid only on realized gains. She and her staff solved for the gains needed to exceed realized losses and in furtherance of hiding the unrealized losses. It's a monumental head-fvck and she should have done MAJOR prison time.

Worse still, she bought short-dated calendars at massive edge loss that entailed throwing 100s of thousands of client money in the toilet. One three day trade cost clients $300K and it was initiated solely to hide losses and extend the scheme further in time (and book perf fees!).
 
I can't get the PM back, but someone was talking sh!t on here about Sossy/TOS back in the day and I received a PM from someone from TOS asking me if I knew the guy. I had simply posted to the thread. That's fvcked up.
 
I can't get the PM back, but someone was talking sh!t on here about Sossy/TOS back in the day and I received a PM from someone from TOS asking me if I knew the guy. I had simply posted to the thread. That's fvcked up.

I'll bet you a million sim bux that nothing here is lost. If you really wanted to, I am sure the powers that be could "dig it back up" for you if you needed it.
 
I'll bet you a million sim bux that nothing here is lost. If you really wanted to, I am sure the powers that be could "dig it back up" for you if you needed it.

My earliest handle and it was deleted as would delete all messages yearly. I'm up for it but it always stuck with me as overtly stalky.
 
One! Averaging on a lower vol-line is better than averaging on higher vol-line. That's a "no sh!t!" statement. There was no mention of adding. The guy has no idea what he is doing. He may have an alto that breaks glass, but he's r3tarded on the subject of volatility/trading.

Two! If he adds on a share drop and lower vol he (loses less) EARNS MOAR!

Three! There are infinitely better structures than buying the ATM call into that move. That's not the point, but nor is your idealized 8% gain.

Four! I am blocking you again.

Five! You can cover for the guy all you want. He stated that the drop in IV would help. Vega increases with time to exp. Long-dated and multi-year (LEAPS) are majority delta and vega. Nobody with any options trading experience would state the following:

raVar wrote: Buy the calls, six to eight months in the future, with strikes three to four deep ITM. That way, if I'm right? Then hopefully the falling IV will help me enough to overcome some of the other math, and my delta's will thus improve with the passing of time (though time is working against me). BUT IF I'm right, then that might be the best way to go. Mathematically speaking. Six to Eight Months in the future ... 4 or 5 strikes deep in the money.

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/buying-naked-calls.337685/page-2#post-4959743

Well, nobody other than raVar and the guy who liked that post.

Then hopefully the falling IV will help me enough to overcome some of the other math, and... Stated nobody, ever, in the history of volatility f*cking trading when referring to a long single.

Six! The IMPACT TO the increase in gamma is artifact of the passage of time, drop in shares, and/or a drop in vol POST F*CKING ENTRY. None of which are advantageous to the long call BEING HELD. The "delta's will thus improve with the passing of time" is again, artifact to a rally in spot, drop in vol, or time. Two of those*** (guess which!) are detrimental to the position and the third is ambiguous to vola.

*** please refer to the next post.

Poor chef! Getting so much flak for playing devil's advocate..
 
Four! I am blocking you again.
Not a problem, you are still one of my favorites.

Wish you the very best, continue to earn mid/high seven figures trading profits, year after year, so us newbie retails have something to aspire to. :thumbsup:
 
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