Bush refuses to answer questions about spying on Americans....

So you make a claim, that you provide no means of verification of, i.e. your employment.....

That's about what I would expect from a ditto headed version of "the truth"......

Quote from jzlucas:

Yeah, right. Im afraid you'll spy on me.

You dont need my name. Call and ask them if they printed "The Nation". I believe they still do. Then post your "HONEST" reply here. You have their number.
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So you make a claim, that you provide no means of verification of, i.e. your employment.....

That's about what I would expect from a ditto headed version of "the truth"......
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I told the truth. Much to your demise, I corrected Katrina's mistakes!!! Like it or not. Did you call them?
 
Add Sen. Dick Lugar (R-IN) to the list of conservative senators - which already includes Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) - who have expressed serious concerns about Bush’s secret domestic spying program. From CNN’s Late Edition:

BLITZER: So you want hearings? You want hearings?

LUGAR: I do. I think this is an appropriate time, without going back and should the president have ever tried to listen to a call coming from Afghanistan, probably of course. And in the first few weeks we made many concessions in the Congress because we were at war and we were under attack.

We still have the possibility of that going on so we don’t want to obviate all of this, but I think we want to see what in the course of time really works best and the FISA Act has worked pretty well from the time of President Carter’s day to the current time.
 
Let's see, I suppose you would swear on a stack of EIB Rush Limbaugh transcripts as a means to offer "proof" of the veracity of your claims.....

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I told the truth. Much to your demise, I corrected Katrina's mistakes!!! Like it or not. Did you call them?
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Add Sen. Dick Lugar (R-IN) to the list of conservative senators - which already includes Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) - who have expressed serious concerns about Bush’s secret domestic spying program. From CNN’s Late Edition:

BLITZER: So you want hearings? You want hearings?

LUGAR: I do. I think this is an appropriate time, without going back and should the president have ever tried to listen to a call coming from Afghanistan, probably of course. And in the first few weeks we made many concessions in the Congress because we were at war and we were under attack.

We still have the possibility of that going on so we don’t want to obviate all of this, but I think we want to see what in the course of time really works best and the FISA Act has worked pretty well from the time of President Carter’s day to the current time.
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Arlen is the only republican I dont vote for in the lovely state of PA. Remember ZZZzzzzz, I lived there? Yes, honest, right there in Mechanicsburg! Ever heard of it? Theres a printing company there! It's called Fry Communications! Come to think of it, I WORKED THERE! Honest, its the truth. THE TRUTH HURTS SOMETIMES! Did you call them yet?
 
Your concept of "truth" and the means of verification of it is par for the course of a dittohead....

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Arlen is the only republican I dont vote for in the lovely state of PA. Remember ZZZzzzzz, I lived there? Yes, honest, right there in Mechanicsburg! Ever heard of it? Theres a printing company there! It's called Fry Communications! Come to think of it, I WORKED THERE! Honest, its the truth. THE TRUTH HURTS SOMETIMES! Did you call them yet?
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res, my friend:

are you then prepared to label anyone who kills civilians a "war criminal"....(like Osama, et al)?

i really hope that you are, since that would make your non-violent philosophy consistent. to find the US at fault on some legal technicality, and then excuse the freelance terrorists for their actions, would be a simply partisan position in my view. not a philosophical conviction.

i would happily join you in an affirmation that the killing of innocent civilians is--in ALL cases--unacceptable.

saxon
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Hi Saxon,

Yes I agree. Killing of civilians is, whether committed by a nation state or stateless terrorists, in all cases, wrong.

However, its only a war crime when committed by a nation. Otherwise its a crime, ie murder.
 
The NY Times, in an article on New Year's Day, said an '04 audit of the NSA monitoring program found no evidence of abuses:

"It was unclear whether the White House ultimately persuaded Mr. Ashcroft to approve the program or whether the White House moved ahead without his concurrence. What is known is that in early 2004, about the time of the hospital meeting, the White House suspended parts of the surveillance program for several months and moved ahead with more stringent requirements on the National Security Agency on how the program was used, in part to guard against possible abuses.

The Justice Department's concerns appear to have led, at least in part, to the suspension, and it was the Justice Department that oversaw an audit conducted on the program.

The audit examined a selection of cases to see how the N.S.A. went about determining that it had probable cause to believe that someone in the United States, including American citizens, had sufficient ties to Al Qaeda to justify the extraordinary step of eavesdropping on their phone calls and e-mail messages without a court warrant. That review is not known to have found any instances of documented abuses."

http://nytimes.com/2006/01/01/polit...artner=homepage

As Michelle Malkin states:

"So, "King George" went to extraordinary lengths to seek the DOJ's approval, suspended parts of the program to address civil liberties concerns, subjected the program to more stringent NSA requirements, and submitted to an audit that is not known to have found any instances of documented abuses.

Somehow, I doubt this will make it onto the nightly news..."
 
Hey res,

I would not go so far as to say that accidental killing of innocents while engaged in a lawful act is wrong....it is unfortunate.

I think that your position is that the war efforts have not been legal from an international perspective (if not morally wrong from a Constitutional perspective, or if the war was not genuinely waged in self defense or for the greater good of others), and therefore the killing of innocents in the process is subsequently wrong.

In both cases of the terrorist killing innocents, and the Bush war killing innocents, both sides feel they are righteous in what they do, self righteous in what they do, not a righteousness born of a process of international law's rulings of a right and just war.

Quote from resinate:

Hi Saxon,

Yes I agree. Killing of civilians is, whether committed by a nation state or stateless terrorists, in all cases, wrong.

However, its only a war crime when committed by a nation. Otherwise its a crime, ie murder.
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Quote from resinate:

Hi Saxon,

Yes I agree. Killing of civilians is, whether committed by a nation state or stateless terrorists, in all cases, wrong.

However, its only a war crime when committed by a nation. Otherwise its a crime, ie murder.
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fair enough.

saxon
 
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