Pabst, didn't the program end because it's legality was dubious? Or at least the way it was being run then? Or do I have this part of the story wrong? I'm confused by this piece in NYT today about a second in command to Aschcroft refucing to extend it forcing admin. to get Aschcroft himself up out of a hospital bed.
Bush refuses to answer questions about spying on Americans....
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Pabst, didn't the program end because it's legality was dubious? Or at least the way it was being run then? Or do I have this part of the story wrong? I'm confused by this piece in NYT today about a second in command to Aschcroft refucing to extend it forcing admin. to get Aschcroft himself up out of a hospital bed.
To the extreme right wing vision, everything that is not in agreement with that view appears left....
The Nation will not be the organ of any party, sect, or body. It will, on the contrary, make an earnest effort to bring to the discussion of political and social questions a really critical spirit, and to wage war upon the vices of violence, exaggeration, and misrepresentation by which so much of the political writing of the day is marred.
-- from The Nation's founding prospectus, 1865
I am doubting that you were reading The Nation during the Clinton years saying that their commentary was right wing....
The Nation will not be the organ of any party, sect, or body. It will, on the contrary, make an earnest effort to bring to the discussion of political and social questions a really critical spirit, and to wage war upon the vices of violence, exaggeration, and misrepresentation by which so much of the political writing of the day is marred.
-- from The Nation's founding prospectus, 1865
I am doubting that you were reading The Nation during the Clinton years saying that their commentary was right wing....
his royal highness along with his brainless robots don't believe in the constitution.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml
Again, you are 100% completely wrong. I proof read every issue during the Clinton administration, thanks for your concern.
Your quote is from 1865. The lefty's of 1865 have absolutely nothing in common w/ anything that is printed today. Trust me, I know. You werent the one correcting Katrina's mistakes... I was.
Very True.
res, my friend:
are you then prepared to label anyone who kills civilians a "war criminal"....(like Osama, et al)?
i really hope that you are, since that would make your non-violent philosophy consistent. to find the US at fault on some legal technicality, and then excuse the freelance terrorists for their actions, would be a simply partisan position in my view. not a philosophical conviction.
i would happily join you in an affirmation that the killing of innocent civilians is--in ALL cases--unacceptable.
saxon
I'll try to cite more reliable sources to make my points in the future.
The fact remains that the 'Patriot Act' was supposed to be used against terrorists, and only terrorists. At least that's how the filthy thing was marketed to the public. Now you see the government using it for many entirely different purposes, such as prohibition enforcement.
This should bother people, yet somehow it doesn't.
Again, I've done nothing wrong, therefore have nothing to worry about. Neither you nor I or anyone we know has been spyed on... unless you are considered an imminent threat to innocent American civilians. Anyone here fit that description? Then maybe, possibly, you've been spyed on. Good trading to both ends of the political spectrum in 2006! Cheers.
Ate15 responding to pabst.
Exactly why he's a front runner, imo.
Elections are won or lost on advertising.
Who could compete with these possible slants, for example-
"Hillary wasnt mayor of new york in 2001.
Rudy was, and he did a good job. Hillary wasnt even in the party running the show at the time-what a loser piker. Remember how Rudy did such a great job at ground zero, while the prez himself cut and ran? (cut to stock footage of Rudy in charge at ground zero, press coverage)
Rudy didnt."
"Vote Rudy, tough on crime( 'cue handcuffed white collar crims, even if aquitted-he dont play favorites,law decides, just, fair, tough on crime zero tolerance Rudy') and remember he was mayor during 911 and what a great job he did?"
"Rudy isnt a member of the Bush family."
Who's going to compete with that?
And JZ, the reality is you wouldnt know if your being spied on or not, your presumption of innocence cuts no mustard under the applied terms of counter terror legislation.
Governments take the veiw that everyone is a criminal, their job is to find proof-regardless.