Bush insults a soldier

[drmarkan]

Quote from drmarkan:

It is interesting that one article paraphrases in it's own words what was said and the other quotes what was said.

From thehill.com:

At a private reception held at the White House with newly elected lawmakers shortly after the election, Bush asked Webb how his son, a Marine lance corporal serving in Iraq, was doing.

Webb responded that he really wanted to see his son brought back home, said a person who heard about the exchange from Webb.

“I didn’t ask you that, I asked how he’s doing,” Bush retorted, according to the source.

Note the paraphrasing of Webb's response here.

From the Washington Post:

"How's your boy?" Bush asked, referring to Webb's son, a Marine serving in Iraq.

"I'd like to get them out of Iraq, Mr. President," Webb responded, echoing a campaign theme.

"That's not what I asked you," Bush said. "How's your boy?"

"That's between me and my boy, Mr. President," Webb said coldly, ending the conversation on the State Floor of the East Wing of the White House.

From the quote in the Post article, Webb's words are I'd like to get them out of Iraq. From the Hill article, Webb said he really wanted to see his son come home.

It comes down to what each individual wants to believe was said because there was no camera rolling. The hill.com's account makes it seem a lot more insensitve on Bush's part with the way they portray Webb's initial statement. In the Washington Post's version, it makes Webb look like he is grandstanding to a certain degree. When he says "I'd like to get them out of Iraq", who is he refering to? Bush asked him about his son, not about his opinion on the troops.

I typed troops when I meant to say war for the very last word.

 

[Dr. Zhivodka]

You should about face and double time your dumb ass back to where ever it is the fuck you came from.

CO ...has earned his right to speak on whatever he wishes at any time he wishes.

Quote from kut2k2:

You "tough guy" reichtards, who'd all shit your diapers if you had to fight the wars you always want to start and to send other people to bleed and die for, never cease to demonstrate what totally worthless creatures you are.

 

[bsmeter2]

Quote from james_bond_3rd:

And where is the outrage?
http://thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/UndertheDome/112906.html

At a private reception held at the White House with newly elected lawmakers shortly after the election, Bush asked Webb how his son, a Marine lance corporal serving in Iraq, was doing.

Webb responded that he really wanted to see his son brought back home, said a person who heard about the exchange from Webb.

“I didn’t ask you that, I asked how he’s doing,” Bush retorted, according to the source.

Webb confessed that he was so angered by this that he was tempted to slug the commander-in-chief, reported the source, but of course didn’t. It’s safe to say, however, that Bush and Webb won’t be taking any overseas trips together anytime soon.

Webb should have floored that bastard satan worshipping SOB.

These neo con scum and their low life inbreed roboton supporters are not only a threat to america, but also the entire world.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Quote from kut2k2:

It's insulting to both Webb *and* his son because IF Bush really gave a rat's ass about him or any other Marine, he would not have sent them into harm's way in a totally needless war of CHOICE (Iraq). And that "punk" was first in his class at Marine Officer Training School, then a decorated Vietnam COMBAT veteran, then Reagan's Secretary of the Navy, and is now a US Senator whom neither of the chickenshit Georges, Allen or Bush, is fit to shine the shoes of.

There's no need to show respect to a "senior commander" who clearly hasn't earned it.

Obviously, you've never been in the military. Subordinates show respect for the senior commander regardless of personal opinion. To do otherwise will get your ass in a sling. Publicly saying you'd like to slug your commander will have you in the brig, and right quick. Webb knows that.
As far as his combat record...don't mean shit in regard to his current position. I don't get a free pass because I served, neither does he. Nobody does! It's a what have you done lately kind of a world and all Webb has done lately is beat a fucking moron called Allen, which ain't much of anything given the current political winds. Talking trash while knowing there will be no serious reprisals is what a punk does.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Quote from Dr. Zhivodka:

You should about face and double time your dumb ass back to where ever it is the fuck you came from.

CO ...has earned his right to speak on whatever he wishes at any time he wishes.

Everybody has that right, including the person that questions my courage, but I appreciate the thought.
On a side note I never shit my pants, but there were some mighty wet farts on more than one occasion. LOL! I ain't no hero, just a survivor. The heroes never came back. Those guys gave it all.

 

[Dr. Zhivodka]

I know this...but the know nothing talk a lot's tend to chap my ass

As you know quite well we all have elements of courage and heroism and bravado and cowardice and shame. Whichever one happens to manifest itself at the time is generally a matter of circumstance.

However, that circumstance can never be fulfilled if one is not in place to be there when it happens

Semper Fi.

BTW: You were Arty heh? You yell we'll shell!

Quote from CaptainObvious:

Everybody has that right, including the person that questions my courage, but I appreciate the thought.
On a side note I never shit my pants, but there were some mighty wet farts on more than one occasion. LOL! I ain't no hero, just a survivor. The heroes never came back. Those guys gave it all.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from james_bond_3rd:

What's your point? Are you suggesting that everyone should just refuse to serve? There are people who choose to break the law in order to oppose a policy. Most people would rather work within the system.

My point is don't join the military if you aren't willing to go anywhere you're ordered to go. It's as simple as that.

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from hapaboy:

My point is don't join the military if you aren't willing to go anywhere you're ordered to go. It's as simple as that.

Fair enough. But is it too much for a soldier to ask that the Commander in Chief not be a dogmatic ideologue with conveniently selective perception and an agenda that doesn't always appear to quite match up to his stated high-minded ideals? Before agreeing to lay down his life, that is?

 

[cashmoney69]

Bush is a jack-ass, and so is Kerry. You know what the problem is?..it's the rich sons of bitches like these two that can buy their way into the White House, but deep down, they could care less about the lower/ middle class, which by the way, are the ones fighting this stupid war. All I can say is, if there's a draft, I'm going to Canada.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from Thunderdog:

But is it too much for a soldier to ask that the Commander in Chief not be a dogmatic ideologue with conveniently selective perception and an agenda that doesn't always appear to quite match up to his stated high-minded ideals? Before agreeing to lay down his life, that is?

Yes it is. Because one soldier's C in C whom he perceives to be a "dogmatic ideologue with conveniently selective perception and an agenda that doesn't always appear to quite match up to his stated high-minded ideals" is another soldier's realist President who understands the nature of the threat and is taking the necessary actions to combat it.

In other words, it's all opinion. No where in a soldier's contract does it say he/she may refuse to be deployed based on a difference of opinion with the C in C.

It really is this simple - don't join the military unless you're willing to go where you're told to go and do what you're told to do.