BREXIT

d08 · Jun 28, 2016

DarthSidious said:
Because UK is still in EU and paying for it? They have decided to get out, but are not out, and the dues are still flowing in to "Junk"er.

Here is the very basic thing about democracy. The only real power democracy has ever had or ever will: The fear of the elected to get the boot next election. That is the flaw of the EU ruling class. They are not elected directly by the people. Being elected/chosen by elected people doesn't count.

While it's not a direct vote but a party vote, there is a vote for the EU parliament, at least I have voted for it once.

benwm · Jun 28, 2016

Visaria said:
Personally, i think everything is cool. The political classes and the media have been fooked and so they may retaliate. But they can fook off.

My trade deal: The UK is open for business with all countries and happy to trade without any tariffs. End of. There you are, I just made the fastest trade deal in history!

Agreed. Seems Australia and New Zealand already looking to get trade deals in place with UK. Hopefully UK is also making this a priority with US, despite what Obama said before his UK trip. Then Canada, South Africa, China and India:-

Australia should aim for a trade deal with the UK post Brexit
https://theconversation.com/australia-should-aim-for-a-trade-deal-with-the-uk-post-brexit-61591

UK trade deal 'absolute priority'
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11663367

OddTrader · Jun 28, 2016

d08 said:
While it's not a direct vote but a party vote, there is a vote for the EU parliament, at least I have voted for it once.

European elections

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyourservice/en/20150201PVL00036/Elections

Every five years EU citizens choose who represents them in the European Parliament, the directly-elected institution that defends their interests in the EU decision-making process. Voting practices vary across the EU, but there are also some common elements. Here is a brief overview of how Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) get elected.

How many MEPs from each country?

The allocation of seats is laid down in the European treaties. It takes into account the size of the population of each country, with smaller countries getting some more seats than if strict proportionality would imply. Currently, the number of MEPs ranges from six for Malta, Luxembourg, Cyprus and Estonia to 96 for Germany.

Electoral system

The rules say that some form of proportional representation should be used when electing MEPs. This system ensures that if a party gets 20% of the votes, it will also win roughly 20% of the contested seats, so both larger and smaller political parties have the chance to send representatives to the European Parliament.

Countries are free to decide on many other important aspects of the voting procedure. For example, some split their territory into regional electoral districts, while others have a single electoral district.

Voting days

Countries in the EU have different voting traditions and each one may decide on the exact election day within a four-day span, from Thursday (the day on which the UK and the Netherlands usually vote) to Sunday (when most countries hold their elections).

Who runs in the elections?

Elections are contested by national political parties but once MEPs are elected, most opt to become part of transnational political groups. Most national parties are affiliated to a European-wide political party (see right-hand column for more information) so one of the big questions on election night is which of these European groupings will exert greater influence in the next legislative term.

Having a say on who will top the Commission

In the 2014 elections main European political parties nominated for the first time their candidates for a president of the European Commission, the executive arm of the EU. The candidate of the party that won most votes (the European People’s Party) went on to get the Commission president post after obtaining approval in the new Parliament. Thus, by voting in the European elections, citizens not only had the chance to influence the shape of the Parliament, but also to determine who would be in charge of proposing and running EU policies.

Martinghoul · Jun 28, 2016

conduit said:
Most people indeed know better than you that holding referendums each weekend won't work. Most European countries are incredibly proud and happy with their own elected leaders that in turn speak for them in everything relating to the EU. Go on an island or buy yourself a yacht for peace of mind, you seem to have a hard time accepting simple democratic principles.

The Swiss are doing pretty well, aren't they, all things considered? And they sure love their referenda over there... In fact, curiously enough, those xenophobic bigots in Switzerland got a little unhappy about immigration well before the UK. In spite of the possible economic fallout, which hasn't yet materialised (it may, since the negotiations are ongoing).

As to the European countries being "incredibly proud and happy with their own elected leaders", which leaders might you be referring to here? Francois Hollande, with an all time low approval rating of 17% (as of March)? Or maybe Frau Merkel, with 45% (as of April), which is a 5 year low, if I am not mistaken? Or Matteo Renzi, whose party is now behind the euroskeptic M5S in the polls, and whose personal approval rating has fallen in a straight line from 74% when he was elected? I appreciate that this is a difficult time for everybody and it's the job of the politicians to make tough decisions, but let's not sugarcoat things, shall we?

Visaria · Jun 28, 2016

One of my posts from last year, couldn't resist!

GREECE and the Euro

cant wait for our British referendum so we can exit the POS called the European Union. They are worried about greece leaving, and admittedly it is in the eurozone, whereas we are not...however the UK is the 2nd biggest economy in europe whilst greece is 2% lol...you would think they might be a little more worried if the UK left!

#42 Jul 17, 2015

eurusdzn · Jun 28, 2016

Deflation and under/unemployment will erect partitions between young and old , educated and not, haves and haven'ts, left and right, immigrants and slightly less immigrants, gay and straight , ethnicities and surely more.
The euro currency is at stake moving forward further than Grexits, "whatever it takes",
LTRO2or 3?, EU NIRP.

DarthSidious · Jun 28, 2016

conduit said:
you seem to have a hard time accepting simple democratic principles.

No, that is clearly you. Vote didn't go your way -> People are ignorant. Sure.

conduit · Jun 28, 2016

Let's not sugarcoat this? Absolutely right mate. Tough times require rough decisions. Time for the UK to start making some tough decisions and to hold anyone responsible to the dot who harasses and disparaged hard working Europeans in the UK. I am absolutely sure that if you let things slide now that this will be the end of all friendship. Start blaming your politicians or what have you instead of hunting down and attacking Poles and other Europeans in the UK. Or how would you like it if there was price money on your head next time you travel to Frankfurt, Warsaw, or Paris?

Martinghoul said:
The Swiss are doing pretty well, aren't they, all things considered? And they sure love their referenda over there... In fact, curiously enough, those xenophobic bigots in Switzerland got a little unhappy about immigration well before the UK. In spite of the possible economic fallout, which hasn't yet materialised (it may, since the negotiations are ongoing).

As to the European countries being "incredibly proud and happy with their own elected leaders", which leaders might you be referring to here? Francois Hollande, with an all time low approval rating of 17% (as of March)? Or maybe Frau Merkel, with 45% (as of April), which is a 5 year low, if I am not mistaken? Or Matteo Renzi, whose party is now behind the euroskeptic M5S in the polls, and whose personal approval rating has fallen in a straight line from 74% when he was elected? I appreciate that this is a difficult time for everybody and it's the job of the politicians to make tough decisions, but let's not sugarcoat things, shall we?

conduit · Jun 28, 2016

Are you perhaps overstating UK's importance just a little? We just want the UK to follow through with what they chose. You people behave like a little dog chasing a car down the street and once it catches up it has no clue what to do with the car.

Visaria said:
One of my posts from last year, couldn't resist!

GREECE and the Euro

cant wait for our British referendum so we can exit the POS called the European Union. They are worried about greece leaving, and admittedly it is in the eurozone, whereas we are not...however the UK is the 2nd biggest economy in europe whilst greece is 2% lol...you would think they might be a little more worried if the UK left!

#42 Jul 17, 2015

conduit · Jun 28, 2016

Challenges just like since the dawn of human kind. Has the Queen farted or what's suddenly changed?

eurusdzn said:
Deflation and under/unemployment will erect partitions between young and old , educated and not, haves and haven'ts, left and right, immigrants and slightly less immigrants, gay and straight , ethnicities and surely more.
The euro currency is at stake moving forward further than Grexits, "whatever it takes",
LTRO2or 3?, EU NIRP.