Boehner Blinks, Republicans Snatch Defeat From Jaws Of Victory

piezoe... you need to stop trying to absolve your team from the creation one of the biggest sellouts of the left and of tax payers in history.

They turned the tax payers over to the insurance companies who now get to force everyone in to their new govt mandated regional monpolies...

your team could of had single payer but they screwed the left side of your party... they did not even need a single R vote... instead they corrupted just about every dem in congress and screwed us all.



"The White House encouraged Baucus to quietly negotiate deals with the insurance lobby, drug companies and other special interest groups, despite promises to run a different kind of White House. "The president said that having people at the table is better than having them throw stuff at the table," White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer tells FRONTLINE.

But the deals were often controversial. FRONTLINE investigates how, near the start of the health care reform process, Baucus and the White House negotiated a secret $80 billion deal with Billy Tauzin, the former Louisiana congressman who had become the pharmaceutical industry's top lobbyist."


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/obamasdeal/view/

watch that pbs show at that link
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common knowledge to you?

yet on this thread you just tried to absolve pelosi reid and obama... by acting like it was baucus and some faction...

(see quote at bottom)

and recently on another thread you said this...



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Had the public option been retained I could have been somewhat more enthusiastic. That was a major cost control feature, but the Republicans killed it...
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Quote from piezoe:

(piezoe quote on this thread)

... You certainly are entitled to your opinion of Obamney care. It was only passed after big compromises with a minor faction of the Democrats led by Baucus in the Senate, who apparently was in the pocket of the Insurance companies. That's why the public option was killed, and that seriously crippled the legislation. It wasn't either Reid or Pelosi, it was Max Baucus...
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why do I argue so often with you piezoe.

because you are a leftist, an obviously smart guy and you are willing to lie your ass off to support your leftist goals.

in short... you are dangerous to our countries financial future and guys like you must be stopped with facts.

this is not "obamney"...

it is obama... pelosi reid and insurance companies who are using the fact they own your team to set up state or regional insurance companies... and they are going to squeeze every remaining dime out of the people --the 50% of the country who pay work for their money and pay taxes.

The only people to escape are the people who work for the govt or own your team.

This is the cronyism that takes down countries... even empires and it is taking down ours.

When the left sells out single payer to regional insurance monopolies... something is deeply wrong.

Then to have all you lefties lie for your team... (or righties who lie for the right) is unacceptable.

your team sucks and they are selling out the good people of this nation... as bad as the establishment republicans.

it must be stopped...
 
Obama apparently rejected Boehner's offer. He sensed the republicans were ready to fold and would panic if he told them to f off.

They are already begging for what the democrats wanted all along, a big increase in the debt ceiling in exchange for repealing the device tax or actually just delaying it. The fact that Republican Senator Susan Collins, one of the leading surrender monkeys, is pushing it is enough to reject it.

A basic rule of negotiating is that if one side rejects a proposal, they have to propose something in return. Otherwise, it is not a negotiation, it is just begging. That is where the republicans are.

Obama's position is he has to get everything he wants. Period. Yet the leftwing media keep talking about how the republicans have to compromise. Where is Obama's compromise?
 
I really do not understand the establishment Rs.

Are they worried about their own seats... or are they simply owned by the same group who owns the democrats?

or is it something else?


Gingrich made it look so easy compared to these clowns?
They think the R vote was suppressed for Romney. Part of it is how little the republican and independent voter think of establishment Rs. Who needs more lousy democrats? Who needs Romney and Ryan being too chicken to say by lowering taxes they will increase revenues... just like revenues increased for Bush Reagan Kennedy and mellon.

If they sell out for nothing ... they will suppress the R vote and perhaps cause a new party to evolve.

could it be they simply are morons? or is it more nefarious?




Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Obama apparently rejected Boehner's offer. He sensed the republicans were ready to fold and would panic if he told them to f off.

They are already begging for what the democrats wanted all along, a big increase in the debt ceiling in exchange for repealing the device tax or actually just delaying it. The fact that Republican Senator Susan Collins, one of the leading surrender monkeys, is pushing it is enough to reject it.

A basic rule of negotiating is that if one side rejects a proposal, they have to propose something in return. Otherwise, it is not a negotiation, it is just begging. That is where the republicans are.

Obama's position is he has to get everything he wants. Period. Yet the leftwing media keep talking about how the republicans have to compromise. Where is Obama's compromise?
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I don't know if they're just chicken or they really are just dems in disguise.

I'll never forget an interview with Bob Dole back when he was running for president against hw bush. Dole said that when he was back in Kansas and contemplating his initial run for congress, he decided to run as a republican because he thought he'd have a better chance of winning as one than as a democrat in his district. That's how he made his choice of parties. That he would even tell that story in an interview when he was running for president is mind boggling to me.

The second thing he said was that he loved to have three tv's on during his Sunday mornings and watch all the political shows. Unless his wife drug him to church. He used the word drug.

Couple of really fine things to reveal to the republican party when you're running for president, eh?
 
Here's a good line from nro

National Review Online ^ | 10-12-13 | Andrew C. McCarthy

Here is where we’re at: The Republican establishment — the guys who told us that for a trillion dollars and several thousand American casualties, we could build “Islamic democracies” that would be reliable U.S. allies in the War on Terror — say it is Ted Cruz who is “delusional” and the effort to stave off Obamacare that is “unattainable.”
 
There are not subtleties or nuances which change the sellout by Obama Pelosi and Reid. You can't change fact... with spin.

The democrats passed their version of insurance company monopoly care... without a single Republican vote. That is the fact. Your leadership had control of the vote.

They could have had single payer. I remember there were 80 to 100 dems who said they were going to hold out for it.

Why did it not happen...

Not only did Obama Pelosi and Reid do the insurance company bidding... they actually had to bribe and slime over the democrats who said they would hold out for single payer.

Had they gone single payer... they would have easily gotten almost every democrat vote... and they would have gotten some R votes...


So what stopped it...

Your team sold out Americans.

And now they march out tons of liars... trying to get us so stuck in insurance monopoly care.

These exchanges were supposed to be competitive with lots of insurance companies...

They have turned into limited very expensive plans offered by 1 company... or 1 company and token participation.


You think that is accidental.

No... this was a setup or a sting and Obama Pelosi and Reid are still fronting the con and the American tax payer and private enterprise system are being taken for everything they have left.

in the long run you leftists are killing the mark.

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Jem here is a subtlety in the process leading up to passage of the ACA that it seems to have escaped you.

Read this: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2009/09/29/170973/baucus-option/
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