Birthers Hail Judge’s Decision That Could “Depose” Obama

[stu]

Quote from jem:

its already gone where it needs to go. (it looks that way anyway)

If those subpoenas are real, just the fact that court ordered subpoenas went out, is a victory for justice.

We will see if Obama plays games.. or produces proof of eligibility.
if Obama plays games... it will not look good for democrat truth and justice.

Weren’t you looking for a change in the law that would define a Natural Born Citizen as not being a child born on US soil by an American mother.
In that case it's nothing to do with playing games or about producing proof of eligibility. The Court would have to find anyone born under those circumstances as not natural born, defining and thereby exempting a newly defined status against historical legal precept.

 

[jem]

Quote from stu:

Weren’t you looking for a change in the law that would define a Natural Born Citizen as not being a child born on US soil by an American mother.
In that case it's nothing to do with playing games or about producing proof of eligibility. The Court would have to find anyone born under those circumstances as not natural born, defining and thereby exempting a newly defined status against historical legal precept.

No, I have not been looking for a change in the law... because the law has not been tested nor defined.

how many different ways can someone say, natural born citizen has not been defined by the U.S. Supreme Court. And note... on top of this Obama's eligibility for president has never been tested by a court or state body.

 

[jficquette]

Now its happening in Illinois

I, Michael Jackson seek relief by the prohibition of Barack Hussein Obama on the U.S. Presidential ballot. Barack Hussein Obama is not "legally qualified" to be on the presidential ballot as he is not a Natural Born Citizen, which is a requirement mandated in Article II Section I Clause V of our U.S. Constitution to be eligible for President or Vice President. Moreover, I would seek relief in the recovery of all litigation expenses incurred; that my 14th Amendment rights provided in Section 1 of U.S. Constitution are not deprived nor caused to suffer injury."


http://www.scribd.com/doc/77965415/Obama-Primary-Ballot-Access-Challenge-Illinois

 

[cgroupman]

Not my words, from this site:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/


"After all, you in your wisdom are very good at putting up with fools: you put up with people who enslave you, who eat you out of house and home, who take money from you, who condescend to you, who slap you in the face. I’m ashamed to speak of it; it makes us look anemic.

St. Paul is being sarcastic in calling the Corinthian Christians “wise.”

"In modern times Orly Taitz asked supporters to pay her $20,000 court sanction that resulted from her own misconduct. She asks her supporters to pay travel expenses to Hawaii to support frivolous lawsuits with no chance whatever of success. Jerome Corsi inserted him into the Maricopa County Tea Party and incited it to make a nutty presentation to Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Terry Lakin begs for money to make up for his transgressions. Birther web sites are replete with PayPal donate buttons, but offer no accounting for what is done with the money.

The birthers suffer fools gladly and think themselves wise. I think it’s pathetic. I suffer fools here, but not gladly; and I do not think myself wise but rather just barely hanging on, and thankful for that."

Back to just me: Just another point of view, no need for violent outbursts, let the courts decide.



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[pspr]

Sounds like Hillary still trying to raise money to pay off her campaign debts from 2008.

Quote from cgroupman:

Not my words, from this site:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/


"After all, you in your wisdom are very good at putting up with fools: you put up with people who enslave you, who eat you out of house and home, who take money from you, who condescend to you, who slap you in the face. I’m ashamed to speak of it; it makes us look anemic.

St. Paul is being sarcastic in calling the Corinthian Christians “wise.”

"In modern times Orly Taitz asked supporters to pay her $20,000 court sanction that resulted from her own misconduct. She asks her supporters to pay travel expenses to Hawaii to support frivolous lawsuits with no chance whatever of success. Jerome Corsi inserted him into the Maricopa County Tea Party and incited it to make a nutty presentation to Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Terry Lakin begs for money to make up for his transgressions. Birther web sites are replete with PayPal donate buttons, but offer no accounting for what is done with the money.

The birthers suffer fools gladly and think themselves wise. I think it’s pathetic. I suffer fools here, but not gladly; and I do not think myself wise but rather just barely hanging on, and thankful for that."

Back to just me: Just another point of view, no need for violent outbursts, let the courts decide.



c

 

[cgroupman]

Quote from pspr:

Sounds like Hillary still trying to raise money to pay off her campaign debts from 2008.

I'm not a fan of politico's on either side running up bills and expecting others to pay them. A little different when a lawyer files lawsuits before raising money from clients. Just seems a bit weird. Not a real big deal I guess.


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[stu]

Quote from jem:

No, I have not been looking for a change in the law... because the law has not been tested nor defined.

how many different ways can someone say, natural born citizen has not been defined by the U.S. Supreme Court. And note... on top of this Obama's eligibility for president has never been tested by a court or state body.

Now you want the Supreme Court to just give their opinion, not a ruling to change law!?

So put it this way then.
You're asking that the Court tests the understanding of the law as it stands, so the application of it will change, by specifically defining the wording used in the Constitution to expressly describe whether anyone born on US soil by a US american mother is a Natural Born Citizen or not.

And you think that a worthy application of justice in the interest of all americans

It's easy to see where this would go. Birthers hope there is a decision that a child born on US soil with both parents US citizens is the meaning of Natural Born.
Then down the line another President, who birthers don't like either, want the Court to test whether the parents being citizens is enough to make their child Natural Born, and ask the Court to "test" whether the grandparents too must have been born themselves by two other Natural Born parents as defined, who themselves, in an unbroken line all the way back to the drawing of the Constitution, were Natural Born.

It's not a test of law its a mockery of it.

There is little if anything in three hundred years of law that differentiates between a citizen and natural born which leads to understand other than anyone born within the power, protection and jurisdiction of a territory, is the natural born subject and citizen of it.

 

[cgroupman]

Quote from stu:

Now you want the Supreme Court to just give their opinion, not a ruling to change law!?

So put it this way then.
You're asking that the Court tests the understanding of the law as it stands, so the application of it will change, by specifically defining the wording used in the Constitution to expressly describe whether anyone born on US soil by a US american mother is a Natural Born Citizen or not.

And you think that a worthy application of justice in the interest of all americans

It's easy to see where this would go. Birthers hope there is a decision that a child born on US soil with both parents US citizens is the meaning of Natural Born.
Then down the line another President, who birthers don't like either, want the Court to test whether the parents being citizens is enough to make their child Natural Born, and ask the Court to "test" whether the grandparents too must have been born themselves by two other Natural Born parents as defined, who themselves, in an unbroken line all the way back to the drawing of the Constitution, were Natural Born.

It's not a test of law its a mockery of it.

There is little if anything in three hundred years of law that differentiates between a citizen and natural born which leads to understand other than anyone born within the power, protection and jurisdiction of a territory, is the natural born subject and citizen of it.

+1

And, OK, I have to say it. I guess only Native Americans should be able to run for President.

We are all un-natural born citizens if we go back far enough, right? I know I can only go back to about 1800 or so, for sure anyway, with my Ancestry in the U.S. Of course this is extreme and doesn't apply to the Consitution, but the point is the same.



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[EvOTrAdEr]

no judge has the pair to challenge obama's eligibility. he's way too powerful to mess with at this point.

 

[AK Forty Seven]

After seeing this birthers should know have known they're wasting their time