Birthers Hail Judge’s Decision That Could “Depose” Obama

[RCG Trader]

Quote from jem:

Here are facts....

1. An elector in the state of Georgia sued to have a court make the state elections board ensure that a candidate meets eligibility requirements before it puts the candidate on the ballot. Its interesting because this is for a primary ballot.

(note there will probably be a flurry of these suits once the parties pick their candidates)

This is apparently the first time Obama has to jump a hurdle like that because in the last election neither Obama nor McCain had to prove anything to anybody.
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So the legal issues may be..
What is a Natural Born Citizen
What evidence does one need to present to a state body
Is this a federal issue which would then take it out of the hands of the states

The factual issues are -
Evidence and authentication.

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The fun will be watching the commie loons go nuts as justice works.... because they hate the rule of law.

I have no problems if Obama prevails on the merits.

Okay jem, let's be frank here, as grown men. I don't know if you have been heavily involved in politics or not.

You think BAC was too big to fail. Think about the US government.

I know you have the best intentions in mind, but Obama has been President for four years now. Do you seriously think that anyone anywhere will let this birther stuff gain traction???

If you do, then you are not aware of human beings and their utter dependence on systems.

How is that for coded language? I say again, Obama will be on all ballots of all fifty states. So you can let this go now.

 

[stu]

Quote from jem:

1. First of all obama loons... lie.
I never said Obama was not born here.
2. Obama loons state Obama is a NBC. I never stated whether obama is an NBC or not. I told them the Supreme Court has not defined NBC.

So the loons change the argument again.

3. Stu is the biggest troll on et. He told us the law has been applied. I caught in his lie... so he makes up more b.s.

then the 3 obama loons come out like tweedle dee and tweedle dumb to hide the facts.

4. Now it looks like a court will apply the law and test for eligibility.
Which is a victory for all.
If the court finds Obama eligible... great... who goes on the ballot in georgia. I hope they test the Republican too.

Why? ... because we have a Constitution. It is part of what make the country work. Its called the rule of law. Something the troll commies on et dont like.

Sounds of a birther backpedaling.

You still haven't answered why you would want it tested in court for it not to be considered yet another waste of time worthy of attracting a fine , that a child born in USA on American soil by an American mother should not be considered a Natural Born Citizen.

How exactly would that be unnatural, not born or not a citizen, you goof.

 

[377OHMS]

Quote from jem:

Here are facts....

1. An elector in the state of Georgia sued to have a court make the state elections board ensure that a candidate meets eligibility requirements before it puts the candidate on the ballot. [snip]

So he provides a notarized copy of the original BC. Done.

You know I despise Barrack Obama's policies and want him out of the office but I just don't get this whole tactic. I'm a Goldwater arch-conservative but I simply can't get my mind around the elligibility "issue".

 

[stu]

You need be a birther to get the elligibility "issue" 3770.

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from 377OHMS:

So he provides a notarized copy of the original BC. Done.

You know I despise Barrack Obama's policies and want him out of the office but I just don't get this whole tactic. I'm a Goldwater arch-conservative but I simply can't get my mind around the elligibility "issue".

" I'm a Goldwater arch-conservative"




and this is all we need to know to explain your position on AGW. Pathetic that you put ideology before science.

 

[RCG Trader]

Quote from stu:

You need be a birther to get the elligibility "issue" 3770.

+1

At least you have an issue with his leadership. Birtherism is....well you know what it is.

 

[377OHMS]

Quote from futurecurrents:

" I'm a Goldwater arch-conservative"




and this is all we need to know to explain your position on AGW. Pathetic that you put ideology before science.

You must be pretty butt-hurt after that reaming yesterday.

This thread, however, is concerned with election eligibility. Your thread is still around here somewhere, maybe you could post there lol.

 

[melonduck]

Quote from jem:

Fact:

The United States Supreme Court has never ruled on the definition of Natural Born Citizen.

Note: don't be an idiot and cite me to some link that gives the definition of U.S. Citizen. Until the U.S. Supreme Court Rules on this subject and gives us a defintion ... there is a distinction.

Fact:

Therefore only an ignorant fool has an opinion on whether Obama is a Natural Born Citizen and confuses it with fact.

Not sure if you're just trolling or really believe what you posted, but USSC has already ruled on the definition of Natural Born Citizen since 1898.

See the USSC decision: United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wong_Kim_Ark

"The citizenship status of Wong—a man born in the United States to Chinese parents around 1871—was challenged, based on a law restricting Chinese immigration and prohibiting immigrants from China from becoming naturalized U.S. citizens. Eventually, this issue reached the Supreme Court, which ruled in Wong's favor, holding that the citizenship language in the Fourteenth Amendment encompassed essentially everyone born in the U.S.—even the U.S.–born children of foreigners—and could not be limited in its effect by an act of Congress ."


The bolded part is the important part. USSC agreed with and reinforced the very definiton of Natural Born Citizen in the US Constitution.
Basically, anyone born on US soil is a US citizen regardless of the parents' citizenship status. There are certain exceptions to this law, but they are pretty clear cut such as children of foreign diplomats(foreign ministers/people that US doesn't have jurisdiction thereof) or children of invading armies(enemies of US).

So, your fact is wrong.

 

[jem]

Quote from pspr:

I thought there also was a problem with the number sequence on the birth certificate provided by Obama leading some to suscpect it may not be an actual birth record. Obama had a higher number than some born after him and accounting for the time of reporting the birth didn't resolve the matter.

I do not know what evidence will be required or submitted.

I do know that if someone submits a birth certificate someone will have to vouch for it under penalty of perjury. (its called authentication of evidence)

but again... we are going to have to watch to see what this georgia court decides will be necessary to comply with the law in georgia.

 

[jem]

Quote from RCG Trader:

Okay jem, let's be frank here, as grown men. I don't know if you have been heavily involved in politics or not.

You think BAC was too big to fail. Think about the US government.

I know you have the best intentions in mind, but Obama has been President for four years now. Do you seriously think that anyone anywhere will let this birther stuff gain traction???

If you do, then you are not aware of human beings and their utter dependence on systems.

How is that for coded language? I say again, Obama will be on all ballots of all fifty states. So you can let this go now.

For a few years... I have opined here on et this will not be about getting obama thrown out or invalidated.

This will be about seeing whether he runs again.
I do think that in at least one state, he will be required to provide evidence to support his eligibility. If he does not I will be surprised. I have no idea what he will submit. For all i know he could have a picture of his birth happening in the hospital in Honolulu.