Quote from jem:
You are a complete and total nutjob.
Nothing about that record has been established. Has Hawaii somehow certified a record which appeared on the internet?
Plus it is far from a trustworthy record.
1. Do you have any idea what the original certificate recorded by the doctors in the hospital would look like.
2. The record you are supporting even if real - purports to be made in 2007 and came from data which could have been submitted years after Obama's birth.
Your logic sucks.
"1. Do you have any idea what the original certificate recorded by the doctors in the hospital would look like."
Why does that matter? The document made public is a formal legal record of birth for a natural born citizen and would be recognized as evidence in any US Court of Law.
"2. The record you are supporting even if real - purports to be made in 2007 and came from data which could have been submitted years after Obama's birth."
"The birth certificate is not trustworthy as to the things stated upon it."
The internet is full of allegations and unfounded accusation. It is also easy to find places where formal statements and attestations of examination and verifications by officials are available.
Protagonists against presidential election shenanigans are there too , declaring it is a document valid and legal in confirmation of a natural born citizen.
But as a 'birther' do you imagine certificates of live birth , or one in particular, not -can be- but
are being issued illegally, because you say the "things" stated on it ( your level of legalese might need some work ) make them not trustworthy ?
If that were so, it would not be any problem for your co-pajama interweb guerrillas who need only be slightly more active than you, to provide real evidence to convince a Court.
"It doesn't look right on the internet"... just isn't going to do it.
However in line with the real evidence and the formal attestations from the authorities and their officials, in response to an hysteria of unfounded allegations which you are obviously attracted toward in glorious gullibility, the document was issued under law, and has all the "things" on it according to law.
People charged with the legal veracity of these "things" confirm they do and have checked. Bandying about
'applying later when born outside the country' or
"applying years after birth" has no grounding. Vital records are confirmed by the Director of the Department of Health - to be checked and have been checked- before issuing any later documents.
So you need hard evidence he is not telling the truth, not more wild allegations to demonstrate how baseless your conspiracies are.
So off you go Perry Mason, try showing officials are acting criminally. Get the law changed. Have the issuing and registration of Birth Certificates altered in some way so that they can't have "things" on them.
Although for someone who calls themselves a lawyer with "a doctorate" (lol) who didn't even know to use the word
cite I'd say you're going to have a long and awkward time ahead.
"I have a doctorate and have taught business law in College."
I can't help feeling for those poor sods who would have the misfortune to ever come across people like you for a "teacher"?! Someone who compares Brooklyn Bridge
bills of sale and a formal and legally attested Certificate of Live Birth.
