Birther lawyer Taitz slapped with $20,000 sanction

[fhl]

Quote from stu:

That record is the Certification of Live Birth recorded in the State of Hawaii recorded by State officials whose job it is to make the record under Law.

It is prima facie evidence - in any court proceeding - of a fact of birth.

You have nothing to support any conspiracy that the record is forged, is false, incomplete, or the State of Hawaii and its officials are lying, have, or are, acting illegally. Where is your evidence to show any of that is the case?

Your evidence cannot be that you want to see more proof of something which is already evidentially acceptable to the Courts. You have to show real reason why it is not what it is- ie: a validated Certificate of Live Birth confirming the President as a natural born citizen..

You cannot do that.

Therefore you cannot reach any point near rules of evidence because you don't even have a case in the first place.
The one thing you do have though, is a tit where your brain should be.


So without the wherewithall to think this through, why not save all the mental anguish you must be struggling from and just faith it when you can't understand the frigging obvious. You know , like you do with god.

You've gotta be kidding. This document (colb) has only been seen on the internet and has NEVER been verified as accurate by the Hawaii DOH.

Is that too hard to understand?

Not only that, but the document itself says "filed" by registrar, instead of the normal identification of "accepted" by registrar, which you'll see on any other colb out there. And, wouldn't you know it, the Hawaii DOH is doing their level best to HIDE their current policies and procedures so people can't get to the bottom of just what the difference is between "filed" and "accepted".

You don't have to be a tin foil hatter to realize that it <b>does</b> mean something, but you do have to be just a little batty to slough it off as meaning nothing.

 

[jem]

Quote from stu:

That record is the Certification of Live Birth recorded in the State of Hawaii recorded by State officials whose job it is to make the record under Law.

It is prima facie evidence - in any court proceeding - of a fact of birth.

You have nothing to support any conspiracy that the record is forged, is false, incomplete, or the State of Hawaii and its officials are lying, have, or are, acting illegally. Where is your evidence to show any of that is the case?

Your evidence cannot be that you want to see more proof of something which is already evidentially acceptable to the Courts. You have to show real reason why it is not what it is- ie: a validated Certificate of Live Birth confirming the President as a natural born citizen..

You cannot do that.

Therefore you cannot reach any point near rules of evidence because you don't even have a case in the first place.
The one thing you do have though, is a tit where your brain should be.


So without the wherewithall to think this through, why not save all the mental anguish you must be struggling from and just faith it when you can't understand the frigging obvious. You know , like you do with god.

You are a complete and total nutjob.
Nothing about that record has been established. Has Hawaii somehow certified a record which appeared on the internet?

Plus it is far from a trustworthy record.

1. Do you have any idea what the original certificate recorded by the doctors in the hospital would look like.

2. The record you are supporting even if real - purports to be made in 2007 and came from data which could have been submitted years after Obama's birth.

Your logic sucks.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Barth Vader:

Well, my friend, I am going to take that as a compliment.

As far as what is in the grape juice......way to much sugar.........tomato juice is much better for you.

what? your brand of religulous does not drink grape juice and pretend it blood? you better get with the program or you will end up in a pit of fire for eternity.

 

[jem]

Quote from dsq:

Do you still argue the earth is flat?
You are a testament as to how important education is.How we have a large ppol of ignoramus' who argue about the birthplace of the potus or how the govt was behind 9-11 or deny global warming is really pathetic and laughable but very deleterious to our country.Just look what happened to this country after being mislead by one such bafoon over the last 8 years.

You are correct. I have a doctorate and have taught business law in College. I understand that documents can be forged and databases need to be checked for reliability - do you.

Or are you just like these other commie assholes trying to take an internet document and pretend it means Obama is a natural born citizen.

Do you see how moronic the left and the commie idiots on ET are. They will lie like hell and make fools of themselves based on a scanned documented posted to the internet without any reason to believe it is credible.

Are you that much of a horses ass too?

3 or 4 jerkoffs will argue against logic and reason for days at the time to serve what end.

yeah - the same assholes who challenge the veracity of the bible because it is not proven - will then like true commies argue that a scanned internet image means Obama is a Natural born citizen.

Do you see the duplicity and lack of integrity these losers have.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from jem:


yeah - the same assholes who challenge the veracity of the bible because it is not proven - will then like true commies argue that a scanned internet image means Obama is a Natural born citizen.

Do you see the duplicity and lack of integrity these losers have.

jem everything you say about the obama documents can be said about the bible yet you accept it without question. where did you get your education? a church school? it sure is lacking in rational thinking ability.

 

[kut2k2]

Quote from fhl:

You've gotta be kidding. This document (colb) has only been seen on the internet and has NEVER been verified as accurate by the Hawaii DOH.

Is that too hard to understand?

They have verified his original birth certificate.

Is that too hard to understand?

Quote from fhl:

Not only that, but the document itself says "filed" by registrar, instead of the normal identification of "accepted" by registrar, which you'll see on any other colb out there.

Perhaps you're confused on the difference between a Certificate of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and a Certification of Live Birth (of which Obama supplied an online copy). Hawaii doesn't issue copies of original birth certificates, only Certifications of Live Birth.

Quote from fhl:

And, wouldn't you know it, the Hawaii DOH is doing their level best to HIDE their current policies and procedures so people can't get to the bottom of just what the difference is between "filed" and "accepted".

You don't have to be a tin foil hatter to realize that it <b>does</b> mean something, but you do have to be just a little batty to slough it off as meaning nothing.

You have to be a tin foil hatter to believe we're just going to take your word on all this conspiracy crap without a shred of evidence to back it up.

Time to do your homework, junior. Do you remember the teacher's instruction? "Show Your Work."

 

[kut2k2]

Quote from jem:

You are a complete and total nutjob.
Nothing about that record has been established. Has Hawaii somehow certified a record which appeared on the internet?

Yes they did. See the attached photo which I found in less than a minute with a google search.

Quote from jem:

Plus it is far from a trustworthy record.

As has been pointed out by stu, you've yet to establish that the certification is questionable. No court of law is going to accept your "it might be fishy" argument.

Do you seriously think Richard Berg et al. haven't already tried this line of argument in court? They have tried and failed.

 

[jem]

Quote from vhehn:

jem everything you say about the obama documents can be said about the bible yet you accept it without question. where did you get your education? a church school? it sure is lacking in rational thinking ability.

are you really that dense.

How many times to I have to explain to you the difference between faith and fact.

Believing the bible is based on faith. Have I ever said you have to believe it because it is in the bible.

If you believe you have proof that Obama is a Natural Born citizen you are further off your rocker than Jim and Tammy Fe Baker ever were. (and they seemed nuts to me.)

(Regarding my education.

I went to an above average but far from top 10 fully ABA accredited in law school. The ABA does not allow religion to be taught as part of the academics.

 

[jem]

Quote from kut2k2:

Yes they did. See the attached photo which I found in less than a minute with a google search.

As has been pointed out by stu, you've yet to establish that the certification is questionable. No court of law is going to accept your "it might be fishy" argument.

Do you seriously think Richard Berg et al. haven't already tried this line of argument in court? They have tried and failed.

you must be low functioning. That's proof to you?

I have the deed to brooklyn bridge. its up for sale.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BILL-OF-SALE-TO...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b6c56f7d

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from jem:

are you really that dense.

How many times to I have to explain to you the difference between faith and fact.

Believing the bible is based on faith. Have I ever said you have to believe it because it is in the bible.

what you believe by faith can only be because someone wrote a bunch of fables in a book called the bible long ago and you were indoctrinated with those stories. you can not have faith outside the bible because there is no other place the object of your faith is evident.
now. why do you have faith in the documents in the bible,written thousands of years ago with no other corroborating evidence, but you reject the birth documents written just decades ago and verified by other corroborating evidence?