How would you know a document that is produced is an "authentic birth certificate" and in fact authentic, and not a fake?
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Sorry to respond as a child would, but apparently that is your level of understanding...
I asked you the question first, answer mine fully and unequivocally.
If you can't do that then you are just another smoke and mirrors birther...
I asked you the question first, answer mine fully and unequivocally.
If you can't do that then you are just another smoke and mirrors birther...
Quote from jem:
Why don't you answer the question I asked you. After you do, I will continue explaining 1st year evidence law to you.
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define in unequivocal terms what makes you think Obama is a natural born citizen.
Well one thing would be an authenticated "birth certificate" filed at the time of his birth in a Hawaiian hospital. That would probably make him a citizen. To be a natural born citizen - I will let the courts decide but I suspect he would have to show he was born to at least one person who was a U.S. citizen.
I might accept other evidence.
In short I do not know if he is a natural born citizen or not.
And I know only assholes keep playing this game - without admitting the same.
Which means that you don't have criteria defined by which you would know if he is a natural born citizen.
That is why you stutter and fumble around like an ape when asked to define your criteria for knowing if he is a natural born citizen.
If you had specific criteria by which you would know if he were a natural born citizen, then you might have an argument. However since you are obviously lacking what would constitute proof, you are just another walking corkscrew birther spinning like a monkey conspiracy theorist who has built a case on nothing but a circular argument lacking any possible foundation...
That is why you stutter and fumble around like an ape when asked to define your criteria for knowing if he is a natural born citizen.
If you had specific criteria by which you would know if he were a natural born citizen, then you might have an argument. However since you are obviously lacking what would constitute proof, you are just another walking corkscrew birther spinning like a monkey conspiracy theorist who has built a case on nothing but a circular argument lacking any possible foundation...
Quote from jem:
In short I do not know if he is a natural born citizen or not.
Quote from jem:
define in unequivocal terms what makes you think Obama is a natural born citizen.
Well one thing would be an authenticated "birth certificate" filed at the time of his birth in a Hawaiian hospital. That would probably make him a citizen. To be a natural born citizen - I will let the courts decide but I suspect he would have to show he was born to at least one person who was a U.S. citizen.
I might accept other evidence.
In short I do not know if he is a natural born citizen or not.
And I know only assholes keep playing this game - without admitting the same.
In unequivocal terms, you are an idiot...
"Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaiiâs Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu."
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Of course, to a conspiracy goon like yourself who has an airtight circular argument as the foundation of their insanity, any real point of view means nothing...hence:
Which means that you don't have criteria defined by which you would know if he is a natural born citizen.
When produced this meaningless question:
Quote from jem:
define in unequivocal terms what makes you think Obama is a natural born citizen.
...completely meaningless question...as you don't know if you are right or wrong, and you don't have any criteria to establish right or wrong, which renders you incapable of determining any opinion of what is a natural born citizen, yet you ask someone else a to define the criteria for Obama being a natural born citizen., which is why you belong in a rubber room in a straight jacket with all the other crazy birthers who have no legitimate point of view beyond their hatred of Obama serving as the objection to doubt the validity of Obama's presidency.
Man, you are illogical and irrational as hell...
"Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaiiâs Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu."
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Of course, to a conspiracy goon like yourself who has an airtight circular argument as the foundation of their insanity, any real point of view means nothing...hence:
Which means that you don't have criteria defined by which you would know if he is a natural born citizen.
When produced this meaningless question:
Quote from jem:
define in unequivocal terms what makes you think Obama is a natural born citizen.
...completely meaningless question...as you don't know if you are right or wrong, and you don't have any criteria to establish right or wrong, which renders you incapable of determining any opinion of what is a natural born citizen, yet you ask someone else a to define the criteria for Obama being a natural born citizen., which is why you belong in a rubber room in a straight jacket with all the other crazy birthers who have no legitimate point of view beyond their hatred of Obama serving as the objection to doubt the validity of Obama's presidency.
Man, you are illogical and irrational as hell...
Quote from jem:
define in unequivocal terms what makes you think Obama is a natural born citizen.
Quote from jem:
answer this one loons -- if Hawaii allows children born outside of the U.S. to get a Hawaiian birth certificate, how would you know if a person with such a certificate is a citizen or more importantly is a natural born citizen.
answer - only loons say they know.
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM
Bottom line:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/begging-the-question.html
With no criteria established by your own admission to know the truth or falsity of the question or the answer to the question, you fallaciously beg the question...
Complete insanity of a circular argument as the foundation of the birther's position...
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/begging-the-question.html
With no criteria established by your own admission to know the truth or falsity of the question or the answer to the question, you fallaciously beg the question...
Complete insanity of a circular argument as the foundation of the birther's position...
Quote from jem:
Quote from jem:
answer this one loons -- if Hawaii allows children born outside of the U.S. to get a Hawaiian birth certificate, how would you know if a person with such a certificate is a citizen or more importantly is a natural born citizen.
answer - only loons say they know.
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscu...8-0017_0008.HTM
Quote from jem:
define in unequivocal terms what makes you think Obama is a natural born citizen.
Well one thing would be an authenticated "birth certificate" filed at the time of his birth in a Hawaiian hospital. That would probably make him a citizen. To be a natural born citizen - I will let the courts decide but I suspect he would have to show he was born to at least one person who was a U.S. citizen.
I might accept other evidence.
In short I do not know if he is a natural born citizen or not.
And I know only assholes keep playing this game - without admitting the same.