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No I do not! but even if it backs my cause, it is still a one sided support.
Go over there and see for your own. do not believe what Wael or dddooo say. Go over there and after you come back, talk to me about your moral stands and how we should achieve peace. Make sure to live the life of an ordinary Palestinian.
Even Reverend Tito and Jimmy Carter did not have the full picture until they went there and witnessed. Go fucking ask them what they think of your way of achieving peace.
I think of my proposal as fair.
It is fair assuming that he lives with the families of Israelis murdered by palestinian suicide bombers or killed in defensive wars that the Arab world started to wipe Israel off the map. Whether you proposal is fair or not, it's not practical and completely unnecessary. No one disputes the fact that life in the WB and Gaza sucks (although it equally sucks in the rest of the arab world). The point is that it's their own fault.
there is only one way to achieve peace - a two state solution with one jewish and one palestinian state, with negotiated borders (close to 1967 armistice lines), with security guarantees, with financial compensation in lieu of the right of return. While both Israelis and Palestinians may eventually achieve peace, while virtually all supporters of Israel would accept this deal you and the rest of the anti-Israel camp have repeatedly rejected the idea.
If peace ever breaks out between Israel and the Palestinians I will be dancing in the streets, you and your ilk will have to be put on suicide watch. Peace with Israel is not your goal, your goal is the elimination of Israel as a jewish state.
Me:
>Can you state for a fact that you know
>what media I do and do not review?
Wael:
>No I do not!
Then by definition, the following statement of yours is a ignorant statement:
>I am under occupation, my people are being
>ethnically cleansed and my land is being stolen.
>You on your high tower do not see that because
>whatever little information you receive is from
>your local media.
NOTHING GENERIC ABOUT IT!! -- you state that you know what media I review. I called that specific sentence an "ignorant statement".
Turns out IN FACT you don't know what media I review and still attemp to spin your position as something other than ignorant.
I see them, I call them, and in the end I can produce the proof for them.
Thank you for your time.
>Can you state for a fact that you know
>what media I do and do not review?
Wael:
>No I do not!
Then by definition, the following statement of yours is a ignorant statement:
>I am under occupation, my people are being
>ethnically cleansed and my land is being stolen.
>You on your high tower do not see that because
>whatever little information you receive is from
>your local media.
NOTHING GENERIC ABOUT IT!! -- you state that you know what media I review. I called that specific sentence an "ignorant statement".
Turns out IN FACT you don't know what media I review and still attemp to spin your position as something other than ignorant.
I see them, I call them, and in the end I can produce the proof for them.
Thank you for your time.
Wael:
>Even Reverend Tito and Jimmy Carter did not
>have the full picture until they went there and
>witnessed. Go fucking ask them what they think
>of your way of achieving peace.
Please produce for me, some evidence to support you're assertion that you know what "my way of achieving peace" is.
Thanks.
JB
PS: Hint -- remember your "local media" statement and how that turned out?
>Even Reverend Tito and Jimmy Carter did not
>have the full picture until they went there and
>witnessed. Go fucking ask them what they think
>of your way of achieving peace.
Please produce for me, some evidence to support you're assertion that you know what "my way of achieving peace" is.
Thanks.
JB
PS: Hint -- remember your "local media" statement and how that turned out?
I think this goal is supported by most of the international community. It is fair to say that Hamas has been one of the main obstacles so far. It also didn't help that Fatah was/is totally corrupt.
The last map shows the zionist definition of a two states solutions.
Keep in mind that the small enclaves in the last map are completely isolated from each other and from the outside world due to 600+ fly by check point, 400+ permanent check points and Jewish only roads connecting illegal zionist settlements
For you to get an idea of the real "two states solution" the zionist state is willing to settle for, you only need to look at a plan submitted by an Yigal Allon, called the Allon plan in July of 1967 which is shown below.
Notice the stark resemblance between the map above and the last map of the four maps before that.
You are still not convinced of what Wael is saying?? Fine! Then look at the map below after the so called separation wall completely sieged us.
Now keep in mind that the blue are of the West bank is an area under full israeli control. i.e. no access to any international border. notice how in the left of the map, that wall has deeply penetrated the east side of the West bank and annexed more land from us (in some areas, it is 10 kilometers deep).
Look at the following pictures;
The houses on the right...Are Palestinians...The houses on the left are... also Palestinian.
For the houses on the left to visit the people on the houses on the right, The fastest way to do it is be taking back roads that will take about 4-6 hours.
Below is a map of the city of Qalilia.
The city is 100% surrounded by a wall. The wall has a gate. The gate door has a key. Soldiers lock the gate at the end of their shift and go home.
Look at the map below, it was made by an israeli peace group;
Please go up and review Allon plan again then re visit this map to see what is dddooo's definition of a two state solutions.
To get the macro picture, do you remember where the American natives ended up in???
During that time, crimes against natives were not on the surface. Zionists know that they gonna have to play their game smarter cause all of the world is watching. So...in front of an idiot like Turok, I am the one who refuses peace and is full of BS but it is dddooo, the poor zionist who wants a two state solutions with minor border alterations...keep in mind that it is only minor. Is that too much for dddooo the zionist to ask for???
No thank you!
I am not going to produce shit for you!
I still think of you as a liar and a manipulative. Surly you know why I am saying that turok.
The first map has been debunked a thousand times. Palestine did not exist as a country, 60% of the land did not belong to arabs it belonged to the government (the British) so showing it in green is a blatant lie. Jews constituted more than 1/3 of the population which the map fails to reflect. The Negev desert (more than half of Israel's territory after the partition - the entire southern part of Israel on the second map) was unsuitable for human life and agriculture at that time. No one lived in the Negev, neither jews nor arabs, yet the first map paints it in green color. Jerusalem had a large jewish majority which is not depicted on the map either.Quote from WAEL012000:
The second and third maps are pretty accurate, you started wars to wipe Israel off the map and lost parts of your land Instead. "à la guerre comme à la guerre" as Nicolas Sarkozi would say.
The last map is absurd, Israel does not own 70% of the WB as the last map implies. Regardless, it's pretty much a consensus that the final two state solution should be based on the third map (some land swap expected). The entire civilized world accepts, it, Israel does, the Palestinians are beginning to warm up to the idea.
It's people like you are the biggest obstacle to peace. This is your third lie all within one thread - first your alive hijackers, then the girl, now dishonest incorrect maps.