Bernake will be remembered as

I agree he is inheriting Greenspans criminally negligent mess. BUT, he had a year in which (granted non bank) financial companies were in their second year of devising ever more exotic mortgages to bring increasingly marginal consumers into the market to keep the bubble going.

Seems he was too busy with his models. In the real world if you get 6 months before you are expected to be effective you are lucky.

Greenspan seem senile to the point where he can't see that it was HIM who created this mess. I mean really, what was the US doing with someone approaching his eighties in such a position. the fact is that once people reach a certain age their experience and wisdom is offset by a tendency to distort reality so that it appears as they want things to be oa as they are familiar with.
 
Quote from gnome:

1. Choose the path of least resistance, knowing it "probably won't blow up on my watch".

2. Leave a bigger mess for someone else to pay for and hopefully take the blame for.


That was Greenspan's strategy.

John
 
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Correctamundo! (Fully cognizant of European history, our Founding Fathers were ADAMANTLY AGAINST our ever having a central bank.) Regardless of the conventional perception of the Fed's primary functions, its REAL purpose is to PROMOTE INFLATION.

In an inflating economy, the Gummint can overspend and confiscate the buying power [aka wealth] of its citizens in such a way that few realize they're being "frogged".

It's all about "government at the expense of the people". If you have any notion it's different, then you just don't understand.

Well said Gnome & Ursa....

Bernanke will be remembered for getting the job done...........by creating inflation & crushing the USD..........confiscating the wealth of the american slave..............it just could`nt be anymore obvious.
 
Ben "the inflater" will be remembered for completing the job Easy Al started. ...confiscating the savings of generations of hard working Americans
 
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Nothing new. That's been the central theme of government since the beginning of civilization.

I would think it is more accurate to say: "That's been the central theme of [bad] government since the beginning of civilization."

We have a permanent war economy, and it is killing us. Has the present Washington administration of religious zealots and idealogues together with our duty-shirking congress tipped us over a precipice that will prove too steep to climb back up?

Will we go on repeating and buying into the fear mongering and war mantra until we are all ruined, or will a hero arise to tell us that the emperor has no clothes? In any case i will likely be dead before a total collapse comes. Great nations and institutions rot from within for years and years before the decay is generally acknowledged and externally obvious.

Once an individual's or a nation's integrity is lost, however, it is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to regain it. The damage recently done to our nations integrity will be very difficult to repair.

I don't see the current dollar weakness as intentional. I see it as an unavoidable result of political expediancy. Our heavy borrowing in an attempt to maintain the appearance of prosperity in the face of unsustainable war expenditures as led to the political necessity of monetizing our debt, so that it can be paid back by our population in inflated prices and by cheating our creditors by paying them with cheapened money.

The present economic environment in the US is advantageous, in the short run, to the Treasury and to individuals and corporations with long term debt at lower interest rates. It does nothing of substance though for those with heavy credit card debt and no mortgages or other long term debt. As has often happened in recent US history, those at the upper end of the economic spectrum gain at the expense of those at the lower end; though they are thrown occasional bones to quiet them down.

We have tried to put a cheerful face on our rapidly failing currency by saying that it will help exports and thus attack our catastrophic balance of payment problem. But of course we are only kidding ourselves. Because we are a nation of a currently high living standard with high labor costs, dollar devaluation will lead to demand for higher wages, and higher costs will result; thus largely negating any benefit to exports.

The great exporting nations either have high quality to sell (Germany, Japan, Tiwan, and now Korea) or cheap labor (China, Brazil). We have expensive labor and we no longer produce enough goods of high quality. Though some of what we produce is quality, high- tech, machine tools and heavy equipment, in almost everycase there is competition from equally high quality produced elsewhere. The current low regard with which the US is held in the world hurts our producers when there are alternative sources of equal quality. The current data does not show much of an impact of our 50% lower dollar (compared to 1994) on exports though there is marginal improvement.

The one place we we are still able to find a ready international market is in agriculture.

If there is going to be any hope for the long range future of the US economy we must break the pattern of endless war, find alternative markets for our war industry (high speed rail and infrastructure, perhaps), and return our economy to a peacetime footing. An incidental consequence will be a break with Isreal. We can no longer let Isreal call our shots, if we hope to achieve this.
 
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I would think it is more accurate to say: "That's been the central theme of [bad] government since the beginning of civilization."

We have a permanent war economy, and it is killing us. Has the present Washington administration of religious zealots and idealogues together with our duty-shirking congress tipped us over a precipice that will prove too steep to climb back up?

Will we go on repeating and buying into the fear mongering and war mantra until we are all ruined, or will a hero arise to tell us that the emperor has no clothes? In any case i will likely be dead before a total collapse comes. Great nations and institutions rot from within for years and years before the decay is generally acknowledged and externally obvious.

Once an individual's or a nation's integrity is lost, however, it is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to regain it. The damage recently done to our nations integrity will be very difficult to repair.

I don't see the current dollar weakness as intentional. I see it as an unavoidable result of political expediancy. Our heavy borrowing in an attempt to maintain the appearance of prosperity in the face of unsustainable war expenditures as led to the political necessity of monetizing our debt, so that it can be paid back by our population in inflated prices and by cheating our creditors by paying them with cheapened money.

The present economic environment in the US is advantageous, in the short run, to the Treasury and to individuals and corporations with long term debt at lower interest rates. It does nothing of substance though for those with heavy credit card debt and no mortgages or other long term debt. As has often happened in recent US history, those at the upper end of the economic spectrum gain at the expense of those at the lower end; though they are thrown occasional bones to quiet them down.

We have tried to put a cheerful face on our rapidly failing currency by saying that it will help exports and thus attack our catastrophic balance of payment problem. But of course we are only kidding ourselves. Because we are a nation of a currently high living standard with high labor costs, dollar devaluation will lead to demand for higher wages, and higher costs will result; thus largely negating any benefit to exports.

The great exporting nations either have high quality to sell (Germany, Japan, Tiwan, and now Korea) or cheap labor (China, Brazil). We have expensive labor and we no longer produce enough goods of high quality. Though some of what we produce is quality, high- tech, machine tools and heavy equipment, in almost everycase there is competition from equally high quality produced elsewhere. The current low regard with which the US is held in the world hurts our producers when there are alternative sources of equal quality. The current data does not show much of an impact of our 50% lower dollar (compared to 1994) on exports though there is marginal improvement.

The one place we we are still able to find a ready international market is in agriculture.

If there is going to be any hope for the long range future of the US economy we must break the pattern of endless war, find alternative markets for our war industry (high speed rail and infrastructure, perhaps), and return our economy to a peacetime footing. An incidental consequence will be a break with Isreal. We can no longer let Isreal call our shots, if we hope to achieve this.

that was spot on Pie.................especially that last sentence...bingo!
 
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The one place we we are still able to find a ready international market is in agriculture.
Nope, sorry, that door was closed by unilaterally allowing genetically manipulated stuff in USA crops/stocks and produce. The rest of the world doesn't want that.
 
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