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Can you name or pm me some of them ?
Thanks

I have been in sales my entire life. Never once have I given a prospect a referenece without knowing exactly what the reference will say. I even tell the prospect this to eliminate this step - telling them I will not give a bad reference so why waste the time. Works 50% of the time.

Point being - why go to the effort? They will not give you someone who will talk bad about them, and it will probably be their brother/wife/themselves disguising their voice and acting like a satisfied customer anyway!!!
 
Quote from Hombre:

Can you name or pm me some of them ?
Thanks
Hombre,
For example spmentor. he offered to give me a list of 20 or so old clients who I could phone.
I never did as I didn't take the course.
 
BTW I just spoke with a vendor and got the nerve to ask how much he makes (in general terms) and he flatly refused to tell me, he said he was a good teacher and it was irrelevant whether he made money trading. I might have accepted that 6 months ago but not now. (thanks samson, sorry Tolive)

Another one (who I almost bought his unrefundable course a few months back) for $3995 and who indicated to me he was very profitable. Told me he just trades a few hours a day -made it sound easy.
I just found today on the CTFC website and he has an action against him for making false claims. His trading account was unprofitable for the whole time (years) that he was telling otherwise!! I won't say who it was but he has got an award frm stocks and commodities magazine for his course. Check out the CTFC site.
 
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BTW I just spoke with a vendor and got the nerve to ask how much he makes (in general terms) and he flatly refused to tell me, he said he was a good teacher and it was irrelevant whether he made money trading. I might have accepted that 6 months ago but not now. (thanks samson, sorry Tolive)

Another one (who I almost bought his unrefundable course a few months back) for $3995 and who indicated to me he was very profitable. Told me he just trades a few hours a day -made it sound easy.
I just found today on the CTFC website and he has an action against him for making false claims. His trading account was unprofitable for the whole time (years) that he was telling otherwise!! I won't say who it was but he has got an award frm stocks and commodities magazine for his course. Check out the CTFC site.

does the person have the initials E. M. and his website's initial is ROTM?
 
Quote from maggandre:

I have been in sales my entire life. Never once have I given a prospect a referenece without knowing exactly what the reference will say. I even tell the prospect this to eliminate this step - telling them I will not give a bad reference so why waste the time. Works 50% of the time.

Point being - why go to the effort? They will not give you someone who will talk bad about them, and it will probably be their brother/wife/themselves disguising their voice and acting like a satisfied customer anyway!!!

Funny you should say that - I recently asked a popular daytrading system vendor for a reference and he gave me (what I assume) was his best hand picked reference. It was a bad reference - go figure. - rcm
 
Think about it this, seriously.........

If I were making good money from any system or method I would be happy to share with anyone just as I am doing now.

I am making money trading off of Price Action, Chart Patterns and Support and Resistance.

I learned how to do it from several books Like Linda Bradfords and a few others like Common Sense Commodities also some good info in NQooo's yahoo group.

Oh and not to mention 2 years of learning how to understand how to read the charts properly, we can't forget that part.

There you have it and I will share my exact methods with anyone who really wants to know.

As far as Statements goes I would gladly show those to you, why not I have nothing to hide and I'm proud of my results (I would ink out the account number of course)

So if I would do all these things and I'm not asking you for a dime why should you trust anyone who wouldn't and is asking you for $$$.

It makes no sense .....

I will say it once more unless they met all 3 conditions do NOT believe a word they tell you or you will be very sorry.
 
In that case will you sell me your system? :)

Michael B.



Quote from Samson77:

Think about it this, seriously.........

If I were making good money from any system or method I would be happy to share with anyone just as I am doing now.

I am making money trading off of Price Action, Chart Patterns and Support and Resistance.

I learned how to do it from several books Like Linda Bradfords and a few others like Common Sense Commodities also some good info in NQooo's yahoo group.

There you have it I will share my exact methods with anyone who really wants to know.

As far as Statements goes I would gladly show those to you, why not I have nothing to hide and I'm proud of my results (I would ink out the account number of course)

So if I would do all these things and I'm not asking you for a dime why should you trust anyone who wouldn't and is asking you for $$$.

It makes no sense .....

I will say it once more unless they met all 3 conditions do NOT believe a word they tell you or you will be very sorry.
 
Quote from rcmcdougall:

Funny you should say that - I recently asked a popular daytrading system vendor for a reference and he gave me (what I assume) was his best hand picked reference. It was a bad reference - go figure. - rcm

LOL. I stand corrected.

Just because I would make sure I know what my reference was going to say, doesn't mean everyone would - I guess. That is just sad.
 
Quote from Samson77:

Think about it this, seriously.........


I am making money trading off of Price Action, Chart Patterns and Support and Resistance.

I learned how to do it from several books ....and good info in .... yahoo group.

Oh and not to mention 2 years of learning....... how to understand how to read the charts properly

There you have it .......

So if I would do all these things and I'm not asking you for a dime why should you trust anyone who wouldn't and is asking you for $$$.

My responses. You have set forth advanced beginner. Advanced beginner is not a viable standard for anything. Prior to your above comment, you posted clearly that you do not know how to do business. For example, outside the financial industry, people do DD on any business they consider. Also, in business contracts are the standard for one fundamental purpose. Both parties state their postions and expectations and considerations.

You have gotten to advanced beginner from a cold start that was totally unreasoned. What you have now is filled with a lot of baggage you had the day you started.

Your advice and direction derived from hind sight and lost time and money (one of which was not recoverable) is a standard for common failure.

Many people here also recognize that you may not be out of the woods all according to their several viewpoints that literally cover the spectrum. You live a modest life. There is a serious transition in the financial industry when you get successful.

Second half. All people who have something to offer when they are in the part of their life that centers on business do deals that fit into their wellconceived and ongoing business plans. You will find that they are sought out and that they always have at hand the info on what the exchange is to be for what they have that you are seeking.

For example, what you seek and have found is definitely not what they have in hand. You missed the boat.

One of the greatest filters in the financial industry is keeping people away that are not capable of having a relationship. The three things you feel that are needed are not what top guns in the financial industry would consider in any way except to use them as a filter to keep unqualified people away from their circle of activity.

One of the most common provisions of agreements, is that an invited (this is how it happens as an antidote to marketing) person is required to not advertise the relationship in any manner. Secondly, top guns do not deal with persons of modest resourses especially non-financial like resourses like intelligence and business skills. The continuing ramp up of capital requires that it be applied in diverse applications as it is extracted from the most leveraged sectors. Top guns insist on agreements as to where and what is going to be going on.

The reason you trust any person who has what you want and is requiring you to pay your dues, is that it is not done in any other way. that person must filterout people who are not capable of relating effectively and who are high risks for carrying out their part of the bargain. Occassionally you will read about people here who want to join the club. You will find that there are lots of requriements to learn.... and be very wealthy.

The greatest single issue on the table is trying to enable someone else where there is a risk that they will screw up and "not get it". No one needs a yo yo on the loose saying blah blah blah...... Right now you have spent a lot of words blaming your lot on the encounters you had as you meandered down the path you set for yourself.
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It makes no sense .....

I will say it once more unless they met all 3 conditions do NOT believe a word they tell you or you will be very sorry.
 
Ok, Jack I got a beef with you! You are an eloquent writer DAMN IT....why don't you write like this when talking about trading!!!!!!

Perhaps you had your secretary transcribe this and its not your fault...in that case forget this post...if not I want an explanation.

Michael B.


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