Baron - Is Nazism a fun joke for you and ET?

[Sirtatocar]

Quote from man:

i am tired of this. i don't fool around with you any longer.
have fun on your own and write your final statement
on your "proofs" and my unwillingness to "debate".

bye.

My intention is not to insult you or make you appear stupid, but your generalization of anyone who raises the smallest amount of questions is tiring. I spend time writing posts that raise some serious questions, and all I see in return are accusations of anti-Semitism and words being put in my mouth. I don't want people to simply take my word on these issues, read my posts and decide for yourself. I have said that I am willing to change my mind if I can see some quality refutations, and that offer still stands.

Quote from version77:

One lie doesn't equal 100 lies. If there was even a lie in the first place.

CT'er's never admit to being one in the first place do they?

Unfortunately, he lied more than 1 time. Reread my post on Muench.

 

[dddooo]

Quote from William Rennick:

I love my Jewish brothers, but bullshit is bullshit. THERE WEREN'T SIX MILLION BAGEL MUNCHERS IN ALL OF EUROPE, NOT EVEN CLOSE.

In 1933, the Jewish population of Europe was about 9.5 million.

...Poland, with about 3,000,000 Jews; the European part of the Soviet Union, with 2,525,000; Romania, with 980,000; and the three Baltic states, with a combined Jewish population of about 255,000
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005161

According to the American Jewish Yearbook, the Jewish population of Europe was about 9.5 million in 1933. In 1950, the Jewish population of Europe was about 3.5 million.

In 1933, Poland had the largest Jewish population in Europe, numbering over three million. By 1950, the Jewish population of Poland was reduced to about 45,000

Romania's Jewish population fell from about 980,000 in 1933 to about 280,000 in 1950.

Germany had a Jewish population of 565,000 in 1933 and just 37,000 in 1950. Hungary had 445,000 in 1933 and 190,000 in 1950. Czechoslovakia's Jewish population was reduced from about 357,000 in 1933 to 17,000 in 1950 and Austria's from about 250,000 to just 18,000.

In southern Europe, the Jewish population fell dramatically: in Greece from about 100,000 in 1933 to just 7,000 in 1950; in Yugoslavia from about 70,000 to 3,500; in Italy from about 48,000 to 35,000; and in Bulgaria from 50,000 in 1933 to just 6,500 in 1950
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005687

 

[arealpissedgoy]

And the Jewish population in Argentina, Australia, Great Britain and the USA increased from less than a million to over several million in each country.

It's called emigration.

There were several hundred thousand Jews in Iran and Egypt in the 1930's. Today there are about 30,000 Jews in Iran and a smaller number in Egypt.

It's called emigration.

Unless Egypt and Iran also have "secret" gas chambers somewhere in their mountains. maybe if we wait long enough we'll be able to "revise" our history books to state as much.

Was there Ethnic Genocide commited by the Nazis during WW2?

Yes there was. Most of the victims were Orthodox Christians. Especially Armenians and Poles.

Were a few thousand Jews killed alongside the Millions of Armenians? probably. Were 6 million jews killed in the "jewish holohoax"? entirely unlikely since independent census reports from that time state that there were no more than at most 2 million jews in Europe excluding the Jews in England and France ( many of whom subsequently emigrated to the English colonies )

 

[dddooo]

Quote from arealpissedgoy:

And the Jewish population in Argentina, Australia, Great Britain and the USA increased from less than a million to over several million in each country.

It's called emigration.

No, it's called idiotism. The combined jewish population of Argentina, Australia, the UK and Canada is less than 800,000 TODAY http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html (and was probably half of that 60 years ago)

And it's a well known fact that jews were not allowed to immigrate to the US at the time. So that garbage you keep spewing hardly explains what happened to 6,000,000 european jews between 1933 and 1950.

 

[TraderMojo]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

You are wrong about Baron, he has stated that he is apolitical, his move was not based on taking sides on the issue but responding to the volume and noise of the complaints.

The Poll started by Man on whether to ban Publisher, revealed a 50/50 split by ET members voting.

Unfortunately, even that thread which I don't believe Publisher even participated in, has been censored in it's entirety.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

If a large enough number of people complain, or people of importance don't like something (think advertisers) then Baron will act.

Quote from TraderMojo:

The Poll started by Man on whether to ban Publisher, revealed a 50/50 split by ET members voting.

Unfortunately, even that thread which I don't believe Publisher even participated in, has been censored in it's entirety.

 

[dddooo]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

If a large enough number of people complain, or people of importance don't like something (think advertisers) then Baron will act.

Yeah, advertisers don't like Nazi/KKK propaganda on websites where they advertise. Duh, bad bad advertisers!!!

PS when a couple of weeks ago Ann Coulter's advertisers were attacked and pressured by democratic grassroots after her homophobic remarks about Edwards you did not object, did you?

 

[Sirtatocar]

Quote from dddooo:

Yeah, advertisers don't like Nazi/KKK propaganda on websites where they advertise. Duh, bad bad advertisers!!!

PS when a couple of weeks ago Ann Coulter's advertisers were attacked and pressured by democratic grassroots after her homophobic remarks about Edwards you did not object, did you?

How do you explain the banning of the following individuals (there are more I can't think of right now).
1) Aristocrat
2) Bsmeter
3) Plato
4) Wake-up
5) Urartu
etc?

I guess all of them were Holocaust denieng KKK loving anti-Semites...

Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

LOL you guys have no shame...

you will make up anything no matter how rediculous in order to be able to maintain your irrational assertions...

you all would be so ashamed if you realized how desperate you all reveal yourselves to be. maybe one day you will realize it, but until then i am embarassed for you.

None of us denied the Holocaust the way Publisher did. If we did, that would be a shortcut out of this forum. We do, however, raise some questions and engage in debate on specific Holocaust issues.

Quote from dddooo:

In 1933, the Jewish population of Europe was about 9.5 million.

...Poland, with about 3,000,000 Jews; the European part of the Soviet Union, with 2,525,000; Romania, with 980,000; and the three Baltic states, with a combined Jewish population of about 255,000
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005161

According to the American Jewish Yearbook, the Jewish population of Europe was about 9.5 million in 1933. In 1950, the Jewish population of Europe was about 3.5 million.

In 1933, Poland had the largest Jewish population in Europe, numbering over three million. By 1950, the Jewish population of Poland was reduced to about 45,000

Romania's Jewish population fell from about 980,000 in 1933 to about 280,000 in 1950.

Germany had a Jewish population of 565,000 in 1933 and just 37,000 in 1950. Hungary had 445,000 in 1933 and 190,000 in 1950. Czechoslovakia's Jewish population was reduced from about 357,000 in 1933 to 17,000 in 1950 and Austria's from about 250,000 to just 18,000.

In southern Europe, the Jewish population fell dramatically: in Greece from about 100,000 in 1933 to just 7,000 in 1950; in Yugoslavia from about 70,000 to 3,500; in Italy from about 48,000 to 35,000; and in Bulgaria from 50,000 in 1933 to just 6,500 in 1950
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005687

Their method of arriving at this alleged number of victims can be summarized in the following way: they computed the difference between the number of Jews mentioned in the latest census data before the war for all the countries involved and the first census data arrived at in the early post-war period, which were, however, taken several years after the end of the hostilities (1950). Neither do they consider the fact that, by then, millions of Jews had emigrated to the USA, to Israel or elsewhere, nor do they discuss the fact that the post-war census data for the Soviet Union are notoriously unreliable when it comes to religious affiliation – be it Christian or Jewish – because of the latent danger of persecution. The fact that in 1959 and 1970 only two million persons in the Soviet Union declared themselves to be Jewish therefore does not mean at all that only two million Jews had survived the war. It simply signifies that only two million people dared declare their Jewish faith in a radically antireligious and anti-Zionist state. Things such as the number of Polish Jews who managed to escape before the advancing German armies are counted as victims of the Nazis. At that time, eastern Europe was the perfect place to get incorrect statistics from.


The emigration of Jews from Europe to Israel and to the United States, which became known as the second Exodus, is completely cast aside. It started before WW2, was largely interrupted in 1941, and reached its peak in the years between 1945 and 1947.

Poland is a special case, as Poland was regarded as more anti-Semitic than Hitler’s Germany. The German historian Hermann Graml, a member of the post-war German academic establishment, has shown that some 100,000 Jews emigrated from Poland every single year after 1933.

The actual figure of Jews in Poland after the war could have been much higher. For example, a British- American committee of investigation into the problem of the Jewish situation in Europe announced at a press conference in February 1946, according to United Press, that there were still 800,000 Jews in post-war Poland who all sought to emigrate.

Also, why didn't Hitler take his chances and exterminate all of France's Jewry? He could have certainly done so easily.

 

[dddooo]

Quote from Sirtatocar:

Neither do they consider the fact that, by then, millions of Jews had emigrated to the USA, to Israel or elsewhere,
There was no immigration to the US, it's a known and well documented fact, 600,000 jews lived in Israel in 1948, most were born there. The combined number of jews in Australia, Canada and Argentina is less than 800,000 today, (it was probably half of that in 1945-1950). Neither Israel nor emmigration explains the "disappearance" of 6 mln european jews.


nor do they discuss the fact that the post-war census data for the Soviet Union
The soviet union has nothing to do with the holocaust, most soviet jews survived. Polish, Romanian, German, Austrian etc jewery was completely wiped out. See my post above for more details.

according to United Press, that there were still 800,000 Jews in post-war Poland who all sought to emigrate.
Between 40,000 and 100,000 Polish Jews survived the Holocaust in Poland by hiding or by joining the Polish or Soviet partisan units. Another 50,000–170,000 were repatriated from the Soviet Union and 20,000–40,000 from Germany and other countries. At its postwar peak, there were 180,000–240,000 Jews in Poland settled mostly in Warsaw, £ódŸ, Kraków, and Wroc³aw.
http://www.answers.com/topic/history-of-jews-in-poland

PS Please, cut the crap.

 

[Sirtatocar]

Quote from dddooo:

Neither do they consider the fact that, by then, millions of Jews had emigrated to the USA, to Israel or elsewhere,
There was no immigration to the US, it's a known and well documented fact, 600,000 jews lived in Israel in 1948, most were born there. The combined number of jews in Australia, Canada and Argentina is less than 800,000 today, (it was probably half of that in 1945-1950). Neither Israel nor emmigration explains the "disappearance" of 6 mln european jews.

Eastern European Jews tended to conceal their Jewishness, fearful of Stalin.

nor do they discuss the fact that the post-war census data for the Soviet Union The soviet union has nothing to do with the holocaust, most soviet jews survived. Polish, Romanian, German, Austrian etc jewery was completely wiped out. See my post above for more details.

All those nations were in Soviet hands when the statics you posted were created. The Soviet Union under Stalin was not a particulary outstanding source for statistics, wouldn't you agree? Also, The eastern European Jews (and many other minorities) deported by Stalin to Siberia after the war were all believed to be victims of Hitler's Holocaust.

according to United Press, that there were still 800,000 Jews in post-war Poland who all sought to emigrate.
Between 40,000 and 100,000 Polish Jews survived the Holocaust in Poland by hiding or by joining the Polish or Soviet partisan units. Another 50,000–170,000 were repatriated from the Soviet Union and 20,000–40,000 from Germany and other countries. At its postwar peak, there were 180,000–240,000 Jews in Poland settled mostly in Warsaw, £ódŸ, Kraków, and Wroc³aw.
http://www.answers.com/topic/history-of-jews-in-poland

How do you know how many Jews would declare themselves to be Jewish in post-war Poland, a country which was as radically anti-Semitic as ever?

The Allied occupation forces in postwar years officially registered the weekly
(!) arrival of up to 5,000 Polish-Jewish emigrants in the western zones of occupation alone. See: W. Jacobmeyer,
Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte 25 (1977) p. 120-135, esp. p. 125, Keesings Archiv der Gegenwart, vol. 16/17,Rheinisch-westfälischesVerlagskontor, Essen 1948, p. 651, Item B of Feb. 15, 1946.