Backlash stirs in US against foreign worker visas

[smallStops]

Immigrant : you are the person immigrating.
And in your definition, the descendants of an immigrant are not immigrants.

Now: look to some EU countries laws, where the descendants of settlers actually can
claim back their nationality BUT the descendents of natives in countries of settlers can not.

In some countries : descendant of immigrants are immigrants except IF for instance they also have "native" parents/ancestors, OR the original natives said so. This is actually the case of Malaysia - with Malay specific "native rights" laws ( that exclude non-native descendents from top government positions) vs descendants of chinese and hindus and others. Same in Japan in a certain way.

What does it say : it depends on the point of view.
Is your point of view the point of view of :
- Native?
- Recent immigrant ( for you the only immigrant)?
- descendant of immigrant?
- descendent of settler?

 

[4thaugust1932]

H1B is originally intended for extra-ordinary professionals like Albert Einstein, Linus Torvalds etc.

Companies ruined or almost ruined by imported Indian labor (US)

Adaptec - Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
Apple - R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
Apple - Foreign guest worker "Helen" Hung Ma caused the disastrous MobileMe product rollout.
Australia's National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
Caymas - Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
Dell - call center (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
Delta call centers (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
Fannie Mae- Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty.
GM - Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
Microsoft - Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it's lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
Microsoft - Lian Yang, Microsoft-Contracted Engineer, Arrested in Smuggling Plot After Another FBI Sting in Portland in 2010
MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
Qantas - See AirBus above
Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
State of Indiana $867 billion FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
State of Texas failed IBM project.
Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, has to be sold off to Oracle).
United - call center (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

http://sammyboy.com/showthread.php?...r-almost-ruined-by-imported-Indian-labor-(US)

 

[kut2k2]

H1B is originally intended for extra-ordinary professionals like Albert Einstein, Linus Torvalds etc.

Companies ruined or almost ruined by imported Indian labor (US)

Adaptec - Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
Apple - R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
Apple - Foreign guest worker "Helen" Hung Ma caused the disastrous MobileMe product rollout.
Australia's National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
Caymas - Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
Dell - call center (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
Delta call centers (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
Fannie Mae- Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty.
GM - Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
Microsoft - Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it's lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
Microsoft - Lian Yang, Microsoft-Contracted Engineer, Arrested in Smuggling Plot After Another FBI Sting in Portland in 2010
MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
Qantas - See AirBus above
Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
State of Indiana $867 billion FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
State of Texas failed IBM project.
Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, has to be sold off to Oracle).
United - call center (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

http://sammyboy.com/showthread.php?...r-almost-ruined-by-imported-Indian-labor-(US)

+100

Why anybody thinks corporations can do a better job of running the world than governments is beyond me. I look at corporate greed and incompetence and the idea of them, accountable to no one but their shareholders, running the world is downright nightmarish. At least democratic governments are accountable to their citizens.

 

[newwurldmn]

H1B is originally intended for extra-ordinary professionals like Albert Einstein, Linus Torvalds etc.

Companies ruined or almost ruined by imported Indian labor (US)

Adaptec - Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
Apple - R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
Apple - Foreign guest worker "Helen" Hung Ma caused the disastrous MobileMe product rollout.
Australia's National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
Caymas - Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
Dell - call center (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
Delta call centers (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
Fannie Mae- Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty.
GM - Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
Microsoft - Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it's lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
Microsoft - Lian Yang, Microsoft-Contracted Engineer, Arrested in Smuggling Plot After Another FBI Sting in Portland in 2010
MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
Qantas - See AirBus above
Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
State of Indiana $867 billion FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
State of Texas failed IBM project.
Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, has to be sold off to Oracle).
United - call center (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

http://sammyboy.com/showthread.php?...r-almost-ruined-by-imported-Indian-labor-(US)

Your lack of logical thinking is astounding.
That or you are a racist.... I'm thinking both.

 

[Eight]

This is what unregulated capitalism looks like: outsourced jobs while qualified Americans go without work they're perfectly trained for.

We could easily get the US back to work by stopping all this outsourcing and foreign visa workers and passing minimum wage laws that would make a job more attractive than the dole.

 

[d08]

Stupid poster. The USA wasn't founded by Native Americans. What was done to Native Americans (and others) was evil but guess what? Nobody is going to unring that bell and dissolve the USA. So get over it.

Furthermore I'm not an immigrant. The vast majority of Americans aren't immigrants. That's why the "nation of immigrants" meme makes no sense. Having immigrants in your ancestry (distant ancestry in my case) doesn't make you an immigrant. Nor does it obligate you to be pro-immigration. That's what drinking the immigration lobbyist koolaid does.

So if your ancestors came to the North American continent in say 1850 then it's perfectly okay but when people want to come in 2014 it's "wrong"?
Most people on the planet live as immigrants, the only exception are possibly the inuit. That's why limiting immigration is a ridiculous idea.

 

[kut2k2]

So if your ancestors came to the North American continent in say 1850 then it's perfectly okay but when people want to come in 2014 it's "wrong"?
Most people on the planet live as immigrants, the only exception are possibly the inuit. That's why limiting immigration is a ridiculous idea.

There is a difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration. Some of you people seem utterly incapable of understanding that, and I'm done trying to communicate with the willfully ignorant.

 

[ogarbitrage]

unregulated capitalism

You have never seen "unregulated" capitalism in the whole of your existence on this planet. Please don't confused overtly regulated pseudo protectionist cronyism with laissez-faire capitalism as they are night and day.

 

[zdreg]

You have never seen "unregulated" capitalism in the whole of your existence on this planet. Please don't confused overtly regulated pseudo protectionist cronyism with laissez-faire capitalism. as they are night and day.

+1

by the way, communists and the rest of those fellow travelers use a similar argument for the failure of communism in russia and everywhere else. the same tired argument is that true communism was never practiced there.

 

[kut2k2]

+1

by the way, communists and the rest of those fellow travelers use a similar argument for the failure of communism in russia and everywhere else. the same tired argument is that true communism was never practiced there.

You're not even aware enough to realize you just contradicted yourself. If it's "the same tired argument", it doesn't deserve a plus one.