Backlash stirs in US against foreign worker visas

[gwb-trading]

You are confusing outsourcing with H1-Bs. H1-B is a visa status of foreign workers. Many of them first come here for higher education and then chose to stay back to work. When they decide to work they have to convert their student visa to H1-B. Others come in for consulting assignments directly on a H1-B. It is the latter case where there could be some under-cutting of salaries.

Again, what you have listed above has nothing to do with workers coming in here and taking jobs with lower pay and screwing over the US workers.

A very, very small percentage of the 86,000 H1-B Visa holders yearly come directly out of U.S. based universities currently. The huge majority are sent to consulting assignments in the U.S. from overseas.

In the banks I recently worked in doing IT we did not have a single H1-B worker who was educated in the U.S. Previously during the years that I worked for a large networking company I did not encounter a single H1-B Visa worker who was educated in the U.S.

30 years ago many of the H1-B Visa holders came out of U.S. universities - this is no longer true.

 

[gwb-trading]

Hiring a worker on H1-B with a Master's degree in Computer Science and a good few years experience means paying them comparable wages and paying for their H1-B processing.

The reason employers hire H1-B workers is cause that is where the large talent pool is from, not because it is cheaper.

It is possible that there are cheap H1-B workers too, but a good number of H1-B workers are the top computer science talent in this country, with Masters in CS from Stanford, Cornell, MIT and CMU.

Read my posts above. Bottom line - employers in the U.S. are bringing on H1-B visa workers (and other Visa types) because they are cheaper NOT because they have more skills than many U.S. Tech workers. Many of the companies laying off U.S. tech workers like mad are the same ones bringing in a large numbers of H1-B Visa workers each year.

If you want to stop this situation then change the Visa requirements so a Visa worker can work at any company in the U.S. during the Visa period. This would put an end to the indentured servitude situation that is currently in place which depresses tech sector salaries, and allow visa holders to move to the company down the road that pays a higher salary.

 

[kut2k2]

By the way, let's not forget that we are ALL immigrants here in the USA, including our Founding Fathers (may they rest in peace).

Unless you are a native Indian, of course.

Off topic: No we are not "all immigrants". This "nation of immigrants" meme is a perversion of the definition of 'immigrant' pushed by the pro-immigration activists. No modern nation is a nation of immigrants, not even Israel anymore (it's been three generations since the founding of Israel in the late Forties)

Having immigrants in your ancestry doesn't make you an immigrant. Get familiar with the correct definition. The USA is not a nation of immigrants, it is a nation of Americans. Canada is not a nation of immigrants, it is a nation of Canadians. And so on.

 

[gwb-trading]

 

[kut2k2]

Stupid poster. The USA wasn't founded by Native Americans. What was done to Native Americans (and others) was evil but guess what? Nobody is going to unring that bell and dissolve the USA. So get over it.

Furthermore I'm not an immigrant. The vast majority of Americans aren't immigrants. That's why the "nation of immigrants" meme makes no sense. Having immigrants in your ancestry (distant ancestry in my case) doesn't make you an immigrant. Nor does it obligate you to be pro-immigration. That's what drinking the immigration lobbyist koolaid does.

 

[athlonmank8]

See, when it happens to someone else, all is good. But when THEY lose their job. When their technology evolves and the world moves on and they find themselves priced out of the market, then it's a travesty. This can't be tolerated. Something must be done. I just find it ironic how this website cheers for the destruction of the financial industry and all it's workers. Article after article about the big bank layoffs and the out of work traders. Yet when their industry is affected, it's time to take action. Hypocrites.....the lot of them!

No, that's not it at all. The difference is that most of those jobs were being transferred to other Americans, not completely taken away by foreigners on H1 work visas.

You need to go back to your other career of making meaningless posts about Bright Trading. That's a better fit for you

 

[smallStops]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sure bud, if you want to believe that, and if it makes you feel awesome., then so do it.

I think you're lucky native americans aren't really represented in the trading and business world and on this forum, if they would, and I would be one of them, I would be extremely insulted.

Not an immigrant, yeah right. Reality check about your family from a few generations ago who aren't immigrants in the usa:

YOU GUYS ARE ALL EUROTRASH.

YOU WERE STARVING TO DEATH AND YOU HAD NO WAY TO MAKE A LIVING IN EUROPE. YOU WERE TOO STUPID, TOO UGLY AND NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO FIND A JOB.

WE KICKED YOU ON A BOAT BECAUSE YOU WERE JUST EUROTRASH. YOU HAD NO CHOICE ANYMORE TO LIVE IN EUROPE. LIFE IN EUROPE DIDN'T WORKED FOR YOU ANYMORE. BECAUSE YOU WERE A REAL LOW LIFE.

AMERICAN IMMIGRANTS ARE CONSIDERED LOWER THAN SECOND GRADE EUROPEAN CITIZENS IN THE OLD WORLD

Glad I could help.

Man, you know that people whose ancestors come from the low of the low of another continent, do not to be reminded of that.

Man , expect the hate.

 

[traderslair]

Man, you know that people whose ancestors come from the low of the low of another continent, do not to be reminded of that.

Man , expect the hate.

I'm sorry, but if there's one thing you guys can do is at least respect native americans. Not immigrants, give me a freaking break. What's next, winning the world cup soccer?

 

[smallStops]

Do not worry : what you are saying is actually very exact.
Many people do not know/realise that they actually come from the low of Europe.
It is a chance for them to find out more about EU history.
For those interested :

* Irish Slaves to America and West Indies

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* Scottish highland clearances

* English trash ( prostitutes, murderers ) sent to Australia, America, etc... rather than
facing death by execution.

* Periods of European famines

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[smallStops]

This is the benefit of travelling and "living like locals", being open about folklores and local history. I would have never learned about "highland clearances" or potato famines.

potato famines
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highland clearances ( sheep were more profitable than humans).
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