Attacks on scientific consensus on climate change mirror tactics of tobacco industry

[jem]

Quote from Ricter:

Yes, we do. Just like adding a layer of glass to a greenhouse raises the greenhouse's interior temperature. What we don't know for sure is the sum of all the effects of other variables inside the greenhouse, but all other things being equal...

But don't take my word for it, look again at the statement on the matter from science.nasa.gov.

show us the proof that adding co2 to our environment causes warming.

all the info and data out right now says that climate sensitivity is far less than what the ipcc has been claiming which is why their models failed. The recent research done by some shows that the climates response to forcings is non linear.

At first adding greenhouse gases may cause warming but as you add more their effect non only ceases warming but aerosols and water vapor begin to cause cooling. (as they are finding now.)

We also know that co2 causes cooling in the upper atmosphere so what happens when you add more and it migrates up? cooling.

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from jem:

show us the proof that adding co2 to our environment causes warming.

Here ya go...

 

[Ricter]

Quote from jem:

show us the proof that adding co2 to our environment causes warming.

all the info and data out right now says that climate sensitivity is far less than what the ipcc has been claiming which is why their models failed. The recent research done by some shows that the climates response to forcings is non linear.

At first adding greenhouse gases may cause warming but as you add more their effect non only ceases warming but aerosols and water vapor begin to cause cooling. (as they are finding now.)

We also know that co2 causes cooling in the upper atmosphere so what happens when you add more and it migrates up? cooling.

Good response. We'll have to wait and see how increasing aerosols, water vapor and high altitude CO2 affect conditions inside the greenhouse.

In the meantime, do you think we should exercise some caution re CO2, or do you think it's ok to keep freely dumping it into the atmosphere?

 

[gwb-trading]

Quote from futurecurrents:

Here ya go...

How many times are you going to recycle this fabricated chart and present it as evidence that man-made CO2 somehow causes a global temperature increase?

Don't you have something different to post instead of the same old debunked nonsense.

How many times have you posted this chart? 100? 200?

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from gwb-trading:

How many times are you going to recycle this fabricated chart and present it as evidence that man-made CO2 somehow causes a global temperature increase?

Don't you have something different to post instead of the same old debunked nonsense.

How many times have you posted this chart? 100? 200?

So you call facts, fabrications and debunked nonsense now? Interesting way to argue. Simply dismiss facts.

You never answered me. Is the CO2 emitted by man a greenhouse gas? I admitted it can cool the atmosphere.

 

[jem]

I am all in favor of reducing emissions when we do not know what they are doing.

I just don't want to be using trumped up science to transfer wealth.
I prefer tax incentives to un transfers.

Quote from Ricter:

Good response. We'll have to wait and see how increasing aerosols, water vapor and high altitude CO2 affect conditions inside the greenhouse.

In the meantime, do you think we should exercise some caution re CO2, or do you think it's ok to keep freely dumping it into the atmosphere?

 

[Lucrum]

Why argue over evidence, if you can silence the opposition? The popular website Reddit has joined The Los Angeles Times editorial page in censoring climate skepticism. Reddit banned any such comments from the science sub-forum of its website....

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/#ixzz2nx56XMTf

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from jem:

I am all in favor of reducing emissions when we do not know what they are doing.

I just don't want to be using trumped up science to transfer wealth.
I prefer tax incentives to un transfers.

When all one has is a hammer, all they see is nails.

 

[jem]

here is the truth about what agw nuttering has become for the nutter leaders...

when the left is all about power, money, and theft of liberty... having a hammer is pretty important.



http://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...al-warming-talks-not-offered-enough-money.php


The modern “environmental” movement has little or nothing to do with the environment, and a great deal to do with the real green stuff: money. One hundred thirty-two governments are in a huff because their latest attempt at extortion has failed:

Poor countries pulled out of the United Nations climate talks during a fight over transferring wealth from richer countries to fight global warming.

Wait! How would giving corrupt third world governments hundreds of billions of dollars fight global warming? Don’t be silly! Everything a liberal wants to do, for whatever reason, “fights global warming.”

The G77 and China bloc led 132 poor countries in a walk out during talks about “loss and damage” compensation for the consequences of global warming that countries cannot adapt to, like Typhoon Haiyan.

Quote from futurecurrents:

When all one has is a hammer, all they see is nails.

 

[Arnie]

Quote from futurecurrents:

Here ya go...

You know why that chart is shown on an angle? Its because if shown straight on, it would show what jem and others have been telling you....CO2 lags temperature.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm