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Quote from jem:

You seem to getting things all jumbled up.
I am sure if you asked your pastor friend why he believes he would tell you it is by grace. (not science). If you asked him if science proves Jesus is God. I am sure he would say no.

Rational believers know the difference between science and faith.
I do not know one believer who does not know the difference.

Now you will hear some argue the bible says the universe is 6000 years old so it must be. But again they are not saying science says that. And frankly if you push them to show where the bible says that you can make them think... (it does not).


But, the point you were not rational about is saying that scientists are not being scientists when they say the universe appears designed.



When a scientists says that there is no way a bacteria becomes....
___________ . Given the constraints and constants of our universe.... that is scientific.

When scientists state the known observable universe is so finely tuned... that given what we know know there is no way that tuning happened by chance.... that is science.
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Because when they say the universe appears designed they're in the same realm as the rest of us, no longer partaking in science but wonder. Of course the degree is still on the wall, but you should know I meant that figuratively.

I would answer your last paragraph above by submiting, it doesn't stop there. If Science discovered the magician that created or invented the universe then there will still always be questions that are askable. The powers of miracle making chronicled in the Bible will always be open to inquiry.
 
Quote from omegapoint:

Because when they say the universe appears designed they're in the same realm as the rest of us, no longer partaking in science but wonder. Of course the degree is still on the wall, but you should know I meant that figuratively.

I would answer your last paragraph above by submiting, it doesn't stop there. If Science discovered the magician that created or invented the universe then there will still always be questions that are askable. The powers of miracle making chronicled in the Bible will always be open to inquiry.
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It is not wonder... its science.

You have a choice the universe evolved the way it did by chance or by design.

When science rules out chance - which nobel prize winners now do - due to their work in science... it leaves you with either design or something else not yet discovered by science.
 
Quote from jem:

It is not wonder... its science.

You have a choice the universe evolved the way it did by chance or by design.

When science rules out chance - which nobel prize winners now do - due to their work in science... it leaves you with either design or something else not yet discovered by science.
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I respect your right to believe as you do ...of course how could I not. :cool:
 
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I respect your right to believe as you do ...of course how could I not. :cool:
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that is the old we agree to disagree as if it is okay to disagree about something that is not subjective.

An intellectual response would be to refute it, accept it or modify it.

1. do many scientists now say the universe we live in appears designed. Yes or No.

2. do they come to that conclusion based on results of scientific inquiry... yes or no.

When a nobel prize winners says a bacteria could not turn into ____ because there is not enough time in the universe for it to happen... is that not scientific conclusion?

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I am not saying you must respond as this is a chat thread... but I doubt you really "feel" that we can both be correct on this issue.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

A theory is a theory is a theory.
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Simply not so. A scientific theory is never just a theory. Were it just a theory, it wouldn't be scientific theory.
Bit obvious really.

So what's your real beef with this. Apart from being purposely obtuse (or otherwise)?
 
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