Atheists, agnostics most knowledgeable about religion, survey says

[stu]

Quote from Lucrum:
You saying that there are no theories in science, everything is known proven fact? Even when science/scientists label it as a theory?

You're doing it again.

Quote from Lucrum:
[so that God can be a "theory" too?]
For some maybe, NOT me.

After what you've said and are still saying above, it's difficult to believe that's true.

 

[stu]

Quote from Ricter:

The word "theory" is used in the layman's sense around here, to denigrate, it's true.

Clearly Lucrum still doesn't get that.

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Edit: I stand by my statement "that's all it represents", as I do believe "objects" are abstractions, snapshots if you will, of process, which is a truer reality. But, here we go into metaphysics, lol.

You might start with metaphysics, my point being that you always need do the science to go any further.
That's not "all it represents" Science is more than just metaphysics.

 

[stu]

Scientists know how much dark energy. And you're obviously very pissed about that.

Quote from Trader666:
Scientists currently believe that about 95% of the universe consists of dark matter and dark energy, which are only hypothetical concepts created in an attempt to reconcile discrepancies between observations and theory. Which means, scientists have a very poor understanding of the structure of the universe and the "universe from nothing" SPECULATION that you mindlessly parrot is nothing more than that.
But because you know so little about science, you confuse scientific speculation with established knowledge. In other words, scientists know what they know and what they don't know but you know neither. And you prove it every day.

 

[jem]

If stu is willing to argue with these guys.. he is willing to argue with you. He is unwilling to accept science if it conflicts with his worldview.

Quote from jem:


“If you equate the probability of the birth of a bacteria cell to chance assembly of its atoms, eternity will not suffice to produce one… Faced with the enormous sum of lucky draws behind the success of the evolutionary game, one may legitimately wonder to what extent this success is actually written into the fabric of the universe.”

- Christian de Duve. “A Guided Tour of the Living Cell” (Nobel laureate and organic chemist)

or these two guys....


The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects.”

- Albert Einstein
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Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say ‘supernatural’) plan.”

- Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics) Margenau, H and R.A. Varghese, ed. 1992. Cosmos, Bios, and Theos. La Salle, IL, Open Court, p. 83.

 

[Trader666]

And you're obviously very much a liar because I schooled you about dark energy and dark matter here and you know it:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2952513#post2952513

STUpid = ignorant, lying troll.

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Scientists know how much dark energy. And you're obviously very pissed about that.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from stu:

You're doing it again.

What, pointing out that there are unproven scientific theories and that these theories are not the same thing as proven laws or facts of absolute certainty?

After what you've said and are still saying above, it's difficult to believe that's true.

Refusal to acknowledge or believe reality, doesn't change it.

 

[stu]

Quote from Lucrum:

What, pointing out that there are unproven scientific theories and that these theories are not the same thing as proven laws or facts of absolute certainty?

No, I'm saying it's either in ignorance or deceit that anyone would suggest scientific theories are unproven in false comparison to "not the same thing as proven laws or facts of absolute certainty", or infer that they are just a theory, when in fact they are always far from both those descriptions.

Scientific theories are valid, being grounded in logic, containing fact, are proven to a great degree and have substantive explanations of the natural world. They never are …just unproven.

Like the two posts prior to yours, you're still trying to present a false argument based on something that evidently isn't true in reality.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from stu:

No, I'm saying it's either in ignorance or deceit that anyone would suggest scientific theories are unproven in false comparison to "not the same thing as proven laws or facts of absolute certainty", or infer that they are just a theory, when in fact they are always far from both those descriptions.

Scientific theories are valid, being grounded in logic, containing fact, are proven to a great degree and have substantive explanations of the natural world. They never are …just unproven.

Like the two posts prior to yours, you're still trying to present a false argument based on something that evidently isn't true in reality.

If it's "proven", it's no longer just a theory.
If it's not proven it's just a theory. It may be a popular even widely accepted theory. But it's still just a theory.

 

[Trader666]

You idiot, it's a continuum and the "universe from nothing" speculation that you keep mindlessly parroting is a stretch, as was Hawking's speculation that the universe would collapse and time would reverse. Which he later had to retract.

But your child-like understanding of science leads you to believe that scientists know much more than they really do. just like this link shows how you had what scientists understand about the universe BACKWARDS.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2952513#post2952513

Quote from STUpid:

Scientific theories are valid, being grounded in logic, containing fact, are proven to a great degree and have substantive explanations of the natural world. They never are …just unproven.

 

[omegapoint]

It seems to me its the theologians who are the ones who should be put on the defensive. They're the ones who're cocksure about their beliefs and for no better reason than faith. Science overtly admits when they use the word theory that the bottom hasn't been plumbed yet as to the prospects for graduating a theory or hypothesis to the next level ...law. Theres reason and theres faith, and its a faith based on what some primitive writers prescribed. And you don't get to use agnostic perspectives to support christian beliefs. You have to defend Noah et al.