At Least Four Dead After Shooting In Fredericton, Canada

TJustice said:
What you think may or may not have any useful correlation with reality. Correct?

This link has some good information. You may wish to check this against the FBI database.

https://www.quora.com/What-percenta...S-are-committed-using-legally-owned-firearms#

It's much easier to categorize homicides as 1) committed by regular citizens or 2) committed by criminals who are already prohibited from owning firearms. The FBI's Uniform Crime Reports have tons of data that can be picked apart and sorted (and unless otherwise noted, all the figures I mention come from the 2010 UCR), but it can get a little complicated to categorize, so these numbers are heavily disputed by both sides. Also note that in 2010, only 67.5% of all murders were committed by firearms (UCR), so these numbers aren't entirely 1:1 when applied only to gun violence.

However, according to the DOJ's 1998 Felony Defendants in Large Urban Counties report, 58% of all murderers had at least one felony conviction, 70% had other convictions, and 81% had arrest records. While misdemeanors and arrest records are not the no-questions-ban of a felony conviction, they are serious impediments to legally buying guns, particularly in large urban counties which tend to have stricter gun laws, and, ironically, more gun violence. Obviously, these 60-80% go in Bucket 2.
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Thanks, very interesting data. I don't consider the prohibition of gun ownership by convicted felons a "gun control" measure, but I am OK with those that do. My definition of "gun control" is control of the types of guns that may be legally owned. So neither would I consider gun theft a "gun control" issue. There is a good reason, I believe, for limiting the definition of "gun control" to control of the types of guns that may be legally owned, But I don't want to go into that here.
 
Tsing Tao said:
Most gun killings are not done with legally owned firearms.
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Are they done with firearms that could be legally owned by someone not in the military or part of a police force. That is what I am interested in.
 
gwb-trading said:
This is not a giggle. It is a statement on the total ineffectiveness of gun control laws. Disarming citizens only allows those who don't follow laws to make decent people victims.
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That doesn't make sense to me. It seems the data is not supportive. But neither can i conclude the data is supportive. It's a multi-variable problem and that's what makes it difficult to get right.
 
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piezoe said:
Are they done with firearms that could be legally owned by someone not in the military or part of a police force. That is what I am interested in.
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Most killings are done by plain old handguns. Quit worrying about the sensational automatic weapons stories that you see on the news.
 
DTB2 said:
Most killings are done by plain old handguns. Quit worrying about the sensational automatic weapons stories that you see on the news.
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Actually that is my understanding too. Time for sensible, Canadian like controls on hand guns???. When I think gun control I think "type" of gun. Barrel length, semi automatic or not, etc. Ammunition, etc. I like Canada's sensible approach to gun control.
 
DTB2 said:
Why??
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You'll have to read them.. Search on Wiki. Very sensible in my view. good gun control laws are aimed at altering probabilities. If there is access to firearms of any type there will be deaths due to firearms. The goal should be to reduce the probability of adverse events. Not only does the type of gun allowed have to be considered but also distribution of firearms in the population. It a complicated issue. But as a start I like Canada's laws re gun ownership.
 
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piezoe said:
Actually that is my understanding too. Time for sensible, Canadian like controls on hand guns???. When I think gun control I think "type" of gun. Barrel length, semi automatic or not, etc. Ammunition, etc. I like Canada's sensible approach to gun control.
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Yeah... yet the number of shootings in Canada done with handguns rises every year. So much for "sensible approach to gun control" --- more like a completely failed approach to gun control.
 
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