At least 18 kids dead....

[377OHMS]

Quote from Spike Trader:

i was hoping you could shed more light on that question.

Sure, I can do that.

Right now I'd have to say that the hate you manage to express in your intellectually stunted one-liners is part of the problem. For now I'll put you on the list with JakeJones and take you off in a year or two from now to see if you've miraculously grown a brain. Hope springs eternal.

 

[pspr]

Quote from ammo:

growing up,mom was home,dad worked ,we played with the neighborhood kids, everyone's mom knew you,they were all home ,then homes ,everything got too expensive,you needed two incomes to survive,everyone started locking doors,neighbors stopped socializing,kids couldn't go out to play,socialize,learn for several years before becoming adults, how to handle society,divorces rose to 50%,75% of them had financial crises,kids at home socialized through computers,no human contact,size of families dropped,single child homes rose,single mothers raising kids rose,welfare paid single mothers per kid,so that became more prevalent. socially impoverished areas with little family value and little education found selling drugs as a lifetime vocation to pay bills,low law enforcement and little other means to support or amuse yourself made drugs even more popular,self medication to solve or deal with your problems is a growing problem,prisons are overcrowded,those with family values either keep to themselves or laud it as cheap perfume to further alienate the chances of it spreading, and it seems that is escalating.. around 1980 corporations who were loyal to lifelong employees, started giving them buyouts and early retirement, the value of the dollar and the devalueing of the human being is growing at a faster pace each day,it's eveident on ET as you see so many people disrespecting each other,something you would never do if you learned to socialize,you would know it's as much of an insult to your self and the other person as it is to society,social responsabilty used to mean working together to make this a great place, all the little efforts each made, made this country great,now social responsability is defined by a credit score..this site couldnt be a better example of the dumbing down of a once great country..viva la dinero

Now that you've defined the problem. Let's hear a workable solution.

 

[pspr]

Quote from Pager:

Well ive learnt something, I always thought the Colt 45 was a six round pistol but i dont really know anything about guns, maybe its a Smith and Wesson ?, my point however is these Automatic weapons only contribute to such tragedy’s surely taking them out of circulation would be a start.

Revolvers, many made by S&W, used to be standard law enforcement carry weapons due to reliability. In recent decades, semi-auto pistols have replaced the revolver in military and law enforcement applications as modern high tolerance machining has made them more reliable and accurate. They also are a little less bulky and faster to reload by popping in a new magazine. There are also speed loaders available for revolvers.

But, if there were only revolvers and no semi-auto pistols I don't see that as having any effect on the problem. The problem is with people and society, not the type of weapon used.

A Colt 45 is a semi-auto weapon that used to be standard issue for officers in the military. The older ones are notoriously inaccurate at a distance. Modern 45's by Colt and other manufactures are much more accurate do to the higher tolerances in machining.

 

[kmgilroy89]

Quote from pspr:

Revolvers, many made by S&W, used to be standard law enforcement carry weapons due to reliability. In recent decades, semi-auto pistols have replaced the revolver as modern high tolerance machining has made them more reliable and accurate. They also are a little less bulky and faster to reload by popping in a new magazine.

But, if there were only revolvers and no semi-auto pistols I don't see that as having any effect on the problem. The problem is with people and society, not the type of weapon used.

I'm not a gun expert, but from what I read the man had the ability to fire off a hundred rounds in minutes with the weapon he had. I don't know if a slower release time would have saved lives since this coward went after the most defenseless people he could find.

 

[bigarrow]

Quote from pspr:

Revolvers, many made by S&W, used to be standard law enforcement carry weapons due to reliability. In recent decades, semi-auto pistols have replaced the revolver in military and law enforcement applications as modern high tolerance machining has made them more reliable and accurate. They also are a little less bulky and faster to reload by popping in a new magazine. There are also speed loaders available for revolvers.

But, if there were only revolvers and no semi-auto pistols I don't see that as having any effect on the problem. The problem is with people and society, not the type of weapon used.

A Colt 45 is a semi-auto weapon that used to be standard issue for officers in the military. The older ones are notoriously inaccurate at a distance. Modern 45's by Colt and other manufactures are much more accurate do to the higher tolerances in machining.

What you say about this being a society problem is true but saying relvolvers are just as deadly as high capacity fast firing weapons in the hands of a deranged killer is false.

 

[ammo]

Quote from pspr:

Now that you've defined the problem. Let's hear a workable solution.

Now there's a simple request,which i am not equipped to tackle. The unions had the right idea,pay a decent wage that would keep up with a decent standard of living, but are corrupt,corporations are corrupt,politicians are corrupt..ending corruption is the stumbling block. This last election,we had two choices, neither of them worthy of the job. Can we go to dc and change laws,no. Can we vote for someone who will,yes and no. We can vote but but not for a candidate that is there to serve us,dc is our voice and its been bought and sold for decades. Put in laws and watchdogs that will take away those avenues of corruption,outlaw lobbying,campaign funds,make that all supplied by taxes. It would be cheaper to let the politicians air their campaigns on public radio,television. Make it mandatory that anyone in a government job has to have an ongoing running balance sheet of money in, money out ,available to anyone,transparency,sorry necessary part of the job,don't like it,don't go into government job. The 08 mess was supposedly a windfall for the senate and house as bernanke and paulson had the closed door session before tarp and the senate and house dumped their longs and got short,apparently their is a new law(they tried to prosecute bill and hillary so it must have been illegal then) that they can't be prosecuted for insider trading,that basically gave each of them a bribe for letting them push tarp through. Laws are being made daily to escalate this gold rush. Start at the top, follow the money,prosecute. From home, children are this countries future,keepers of the holy grail and a gift to any parent, cherish it,raise them,don't let them be raised by electronics,how could that possibly come out good in the end.

 

[futurecurrents]

All along I've been saying we need to ban handguns, and rifles with external magazines and rifles with internal magazine that hold more than five rounds.

These are the guns the shooter used:

a 9 mm 15 round handgun

a 9 mm 17 round handgun

a .223 rifle with a 30+ clip


There is simply no reason for these types of guns in the hands of citizens. A shotgun or rifle like my 30/30 lever action Winchester is perfectly adequate for home defense.

Let me be clear. All guns should NOT be banned.

 

[futurecurrents]

Another point I'd like to make is that the shooter was autistic. Autism and other pyschological problems like severe anxiety are on the rise among the youth.

There are now over two hundred man-made chemicals in every one of us and in the breast milk of mothers.

Recent experiments on rats show that exposure to a widely used fungicide caused anxiety disorders in the rat's 2nd generation offspring. That means the fungicide caused a genetic change that was passed on to their "grandchildren".

So in addition to the possible moral pollution that is being brought up here as a cause, there is environmental pollution. Both can change behavior.

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from futurecurrents:

All along I've been saying we need to ban handguns, and rifles with external magazines and rifles with internal magazine that hold more than five rounds.

These are the guns the shooter used:

a 9 mm 15 round handgun

a 9 mm 17 round handgun

a .223 rifle with a 30+ clip


There is simply no reason for these types of guns in the hands of citizens. A shotgun or rifle like my 30/30 lever action Winchester is perfectly adequate for home defense.

Let me be clear. All guns should NOT be banned.

Shit unless you plan on using that rifle as a club it's nearly useless inside. I could shove it up your ass before you knew what happened in either case.

 

[pspr]

Quote from ammo:

Now there's a simple request,which i am not equipped to tackle. The unions had the right idea,pay a decent wage that would keep up with a decent standard of living, but are corrupt,corporations are corrupt,politicians are corrupt..ending corruption is the stumbling block. This last election,we had two choices, neither of them worthy of the job. Can we go to dc and change laws,no. Can we vote for someone who will,yes and no. We can vote but but not for a candidate that is there to serve us,dc is our voice and its been bought and sold for decades. Put in laws and watchdogs that will take away those avenues of corruption,outlaw lobbying,campaign funds,make that all supplied by taxes. It would be cheaper to let the politicians air their campaigns on public radio,television. Make it mandatory that anyone in a government job has to have an ongoing running balance sheet of money in, money out ,available to anyone,transparency,sorry necessary part of the job,don't like it,don't go into government job. The 08 mess was supposedly a windfall for the senate and house as bernanke and paulson had the closed door session before tarp and the senate and house dumped their longs and got short,apparently their is a new law(they tried to prosecute bill and hillary so it must have been illegal then) that they can't be prosecuted for insider trading,that basically gave each of them a bribe for letting them push tarp through. Laws are being made daily to escalate this gold rush. Start at the top, follow the money,prosecute. From home, children are this countries future,keepers of the holy grail and a gift to any parent, cherish it,raise them,don't let them be raised by electronics,how could that possibly come out good in the end

Well, those are still the problem. I suspect a workable solution is beyond our grasp at this time. We're going to have to see the problems stike home so more people are willing to get involved.

I honestly believe it is the tolerant, take care of everybody through government mentality of the left that has gotten us into this mess. Decades ago this may have been a noble, but short sighted, cause. People who think this way have done it so long that they are in a rut. The rut is continuing to want government to take on increasing roles of caring and tolerance. We are past the breaking point with this line of thinking and collapse and pain for a large segment of society has to happen for us to change course.

People like mrbill and others are not bad people. They just have been in the rut of supporting the government nanny state and tolerance and they haven't seen any pain or reason to get out of that rut. Until they do, we will continue down this path. Until the pain becomes unbearable for the majority we will trudge along. Personally, I think we are very close to experiencing a painful collapse because of these short sighted policies. The structure of govenment may have to be remodeled as a result. Political promises to, in effect, buy votes cannot continue.