At least 18 kids dead....

[BSAM]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Several thoughts.

One, I find it profoundly depressing that educated, accomplished people like members here descend immediately into macho threats and name-calling over a tragedy. Highly ironic that it is a tragedy involving senseless violence. I guess it's not so hard to see how this kind of crap happens. Really people, a difference of opinion is not worth threatening violence over. Otherwise, you're no better than a bunch of gang bangers....

But, remember, this is ET, brother AAA.
While I don't always agree with your positions, brother AAA, I do always enjoy hearing your point of view.
As I was scanning this thread, I was wondering why you hadn't weighed in.
As usual, thanks for providing an extra measure of sanity to the discussion.

 

[BSAM]

Quote from atticus:

Clearly defined points of egress. Local PD presence at the start of the day until the kids are in class.

One armed and trained agent in the school is a powerful deterrent.

Good points, brother Atticus.

 

[rubibond007]

Quote from atticus:



Homicide rates (per capita) are much lower in countries with gun controls. There is no counter-point to that argument.

False:

This is one of the favorite arguments of gun control proponents, and yet the facts show that there is simply no correlation between gun control laws and murder or suicide rates across a wide spectrum of nations and cultures. In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel "have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States." A comparison of crime rates within Europe reveals no correlation between access to guns and crime.

Second:

The 31 states that have "shall issue" laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons. In fact, the nine states with the lowest violent crime rates are all right-to-carry states. Remarkably, guns are used for self-defense more than 2 million times a year, three to five times the estimated number of violent crimes committed with guns.

Also we should remember that Hitler, Lenin, and Mao first disarmed the citizenry

 

[sellindexvol66]

Quote from atticus:

Clearly defined points of egress. Local PD presence at the start of the day until the kids are in class.

One armed and trained agent in the school is a powerful deterrent.

U know I live 15 minutes from Newtown, have family there now...besides being mostly speechless... as a community it is pure new england with unlock doors , good old boys with plenty of hunters, etc..what I could never see is an armed guard in any ct school .other than inner city for other reasons.

What I can see as a solution is requiring some staff to be armed. With gun control only the criminals will have guns..so I do not see that working.

Currently I still am mostly frozen making calls to people I know in town simply to talk. Really, newtown ct could be any town in the usa

 

[mrbill]

Quote from wjk:

OK mr bill. I would like you to take my two posts (pages 7 and 8) in this thread and dissect them for me, then explain to me where they fit in to your somewhat immature and biased experiment. I am assuming you have lumped me into your "them" pile. Show me how radical my posts were. Thanks

I tried to PM you, but I guess you don't allow it.

And, no, actually I have BSAM and you with 2 each, and Surf with 1. I am putting you in the 'no label' section.

Hope you don't really mean immature and biased, I am thinking just that you would see what I am trying to accomplish here.

 

[nutmeg]

Forensic Psy explains to media what not to do.


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The “Werther Effect,” defined as a duplication or copycat of another suicidal act. School shootings are typically well-publicized, sensationalized events that can trigger an increase in similar acts for roughly days or weeks after the attack.

 

[wjk]

Quote from mrbill:

I tried to PM you, but I guess you don't allow it.

And, no, actually I have BSAM and you with 2 each, and Surf with 1. I am putting you in the 'no label' section.

Hope you don't really mean immature and biased, I am thinking just that you would see what I am trying to accomplish here.

Yes, I don't do PM...some years back I got into a hostile exchange with someone who called me a name and didn't like my response.

Not sure what your goal is, but I will withdraw that part of comment.

If labels are important, you may label me as a libertarian with a conservative bias. For instant, let's reduce the war on drugs and keep those drug warriors employed as armed security in the schools.

 

[Mav88]

Quote from mrbill:

I tried to PM you, but I guess you don't allow it.

And, no, actually I have BSAM and you with 2 each, and Surf with 1. I am putting you in the 'no label' section.

Hope you don't really mean immature and biased, I am thinking just that you would see what I am trying to accomplish here.

but you can't count, I proved that in the other thread

 

[Mav88]

Quote from wjk:

Yes, I don't do PM...some years back I got into a hostile exchange with someone who called me a name and didn't like my response.

Not sure what your goal is, but I will withdraw that part of comment.

If labels are important, you may label me as a libertarian with a conservative bias. For instant, let's reduce the war on drugs and keep those drug warriors employed as armed security in the schools.

mrbill's goal is an attempt to feel superior, no need to look deeper than that

 

[pspr]

mrbill: Hope you don't really mean immature and biased...

Why? Because you don't want to be outted as just that which you are?