Are We On The Brink Of Civil War?

[Tsing Tao]

Here is the problem. From my sampling of media, I don't really see any recognition by democrats and the media that they have created this situation where a man thinks it is a good idea to gun down a group of republican congressmen. Indeed, their immediate reaction was to go to gun control. Their fallback position seemed to be that "both sides" need to tone down the rhetoric. Of course the real crazies blame it all on Trump and his "divisiveness", ie not agreeing with their radical concepts of open borders, etc.

So we have a situation where the left, through its control of media, academia, the judiciary and our larger cities have tacitly encouraged political violence. First, against conservative speakers on campus, then against Trump supporters at rallies, finally against "neo Nazis", which seems to include anyone to the right of Hillary. Of course, they are careful not to come right out and say "go commit violence", but they send the signals, they tell the police to back off unless their thugs are getting the worst of it and they don't prosecute those responsible.

The networks and entertainment barons have tolerated truly outrageous antics that need not be repeated. We all know Colbert would have been fired immediately if he had made cracks about Obama like he did about Trump, so they too are tacitly encouraging a poisonous environment.

TT is of course correct that an all-out civil war is not on this week's agenda, but I disagree that it is unthinkable, even in the relatively short term. We have a group of unstable leftwing losers who have been brainwashed to blame every disappointment in their lives on republicans and in particular Trump. We have a group of patriotic Americans who are sick of where their country is heading and appalled at the tactics used by the democrats and media. We have a weaponized media which somehow got their own special counsel appointed, who seems to see his mission as bringing down the hated Trump.

This is not a stable situation. If the establishment do make a move to get rid of Trump, one word from him and an awful lot of people are prepared to take matters into their own hands.

One word from Trump and I wouldn't do shit. And I voted for the guy. He's way too flawed a candidate to be anyone I would support with activism, let alone violence.

Now, if he did all the things he claimed he would do when I voted for him, I might reconsider my state of activism. But violence? Not until my life and family is directly threatened and only when that happens.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Tipping points are sometimes difficult to identify in real time, but once they're past there is no stopping the momentum. No doubt future historians will be able to pinpoint this tipping point and ask, what the hell were they thinking?

That is precisely my fear. Things could go south here very quickly. The left have convinced themselves all-out opposition is warranted. The right, or at least the alt right, see the election being nullified and an incipient coup.

The next battle of Berkeley is not likely to be fought using fists and flag poles. Look up what happened when a group of marxists decided to violently confront KKK members in Greensboro, NC back in the late '60's.

 

[Tony Stark]

They have no actual policy arguments, at least none that voters agree with

Yet Hillary won by 3 million votes and the democrat candidate won the most votes in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections

 

[Tsing Tao]

That is precisely my fear. Things could go south here very quickly. The left have convinced themselves all-out opposition is warranted. The right, or at least the alt right, see the election being nullified and an incipient coup.

The next battle of Berkeley is not likely to be fought using fists and flag poles. Look up what happened when a group of marxists decided to violently confront KKK members in Greensboro, NC back in the late '60's.

You're talking about a very fringe group of lefties. The general population isn't participating in this stupidity. I know plenty of liberals/democrats, not a single one supports the activity of the crazies. None of them are ready to explode with violence.

It seems bigger than it is because the media is vested in putting it right in our face every day. But 99% of the population is not looking for confrontation on any of these issues.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Yet Hillary won by 3 million votes and the democrat candidate won the most votes in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections

Oh shut up about this already. You're like a whiny, broken fucking record. So what? Trump is in office.

 

[Tony Stark]

So we have a situation where the left, through its control of media, academia, the judiciary and our larger cities have tacitly encouraged political violence.

Lie

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Not until my life and family is directly threatened and only when that happens.

I understand that, it would be my policy, but the left understands our approach as well. They know we are law-abiding and respect the appropriate authorities, whether they be the police, the military or the courts. In fact, they are counting on it, which is why the battle of Berkeley was so upsetting to them.

The left operate under no such restrictions. They block bridges and interstate highways, terrorize people, block emergency vehicles, and suffer no adverse consequences because their political masters protect them. People on the right will not be so lucky. In any confrontation, we can expect the full weight of the law to fall on us while the left gets off with a wrist slap.

If you doubt this, consider that the thugs who were planning a terrorist attack on one of the inaugural balls using a noxious gas were given community service. Of course, by Obama's US Attorney for the District of Columbia.

 

[Tsing Tao]

I understand that, it would be my policy, but the left understands our approach as well. They know we are law-abiding and respect the appropriate authorities, whether they be the police, the military or the courts. In fact, they are counting on it, which is why the battle of Berkeley was so upsetting to them.

The left operate under no such restrictions. They block bridges and interstate highways, terrorize people, block emergency vehicles, and suffer no adverse consequences because their political masters protect them. People on the right will not be so lucky. In any confrontation, we can expect the full weight of the law to fall on us while the left gets off with a wrist slap.

If you doubt this, consider that the thugs who were planning a terrorist attack on one of the inaugural balls using a noxious gas were given community service. Of course, by Obama's US Attorney for the District of Columbia.

If what you are saying is true, and I don't necessarily believe it is, then once the folks on the right get pushed far enough the response will be overwhelming, both for law enforcement and the left.

But I think by that time, the law enforcement - which is mostly conservative - will not be stomping down on conservatives.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

It seems bigger than it is because the media is vested in putting it right in our face every day. But 99% of the population is not looking for confrontation on any of these issues.

Then why are they able to turn out these massive crowds? Why are they able to shut down cities? I doubt there will be riots in Kansas or the Florida panhandle. Washington, DC may be a different story.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Lie

It's not a lie at all, and certainly not because you post "lie". There have been many, many instances of political figures, social media figures, corporate folks, media talk show folks, etc making comments that - one by one - would be considered harmless, but taken in concert begin to push people on the edge over that edge. That's inciting violence.