Anyone here actually profitable?

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...the key is you still only take one level as the trade foundation, which can in this case be any level on that timeframe, but you can layer in to the trade at the other levels increasing profits 2x, 5x, 10x...

That's called averaging into a loser, or averaging into a winner. It doesn't work unless you have unlimited capital and unlimited time in futures.

...The markets are designed to make sure you do not succeed...

FALSE!

The "markets" are not designed to make sure you win or lose. They are what they are. That is like saying nature designed the tree to fall in the wrong direction after you screwed up how you used the chainsaw to fell it.

Layering in. Really? C'mon man, I am living proof that that strategy can fail big time. And that's what happened in 2007, no?
 
That's called averaging into a loser, or averaging into a winner. It doesn't work unless you have unlimited capital and unlimited time in futures.



FALSE!

The "markets" are not designed to make sure you win or lose. They are what they are. That is like saying nature designed the tree to fall in the wrong direction after you screwed up how you used the chainsaw to fell it.

Layering in. Really? C'mon man, I am living proof that that strategy can fail big time. And that's what happened in 2007, no?

I would respectfully disagree. I don't think the market is this free-floating, zero-rules, free-market, capitalist utopia that everyone seems to think it is. The entire world is based on finance, which is managed by large banks, and I highly doubt the entire world economy would be left to chance based on basic free-market supply and demand principles. Those who have the money have the power, and they will not relinquish it. When you're trying to maintain and build power, you don't play games of chance.

People think the market is this thing where everyone interacts and chart patterns ultimately form, but I firmly believe it's a rigged-game and then sold to the public as "chaos" so that you become so confused and misdirected that you never come around to seeing the full picture: it is in fact very ordered.
 
All very good points, you will not find true profitable numbers anywhere (measured against benchmark for Alpha) because it's below 1%. The levels are to do with the money flow and net worth/aum, a person or fund and often institution can only target one level, yes contextual understanding always outranks backtesting because the markets usually rhyme but rarely repeat.

The hedge fund architecture was built over a decade timeframe by some of the best architects in the world who consulted at board level for the largest banks, oil, gas and insurance multi-nationals, it is not possible to build that yourself without C-Suite knowledge, the closest you can ever get is eSignal GET (Elliott Wave) but even then it's only an 80% solution and you need 95% as a minimum these days, I used the system before eSignal bought them out, it was excellent because it was simple and focused, not so much via their integrated platform.

The only option for everyone is to perfect and protect one level (deviation) of returns and limit the losses the rest of the time for a given timeframe set, 1hr/4hr/1dy are usually good starting points, everyone has a solution that works for them with only a fractional amount transferable to someone else, working for a bank and you are the fraction in the ecosystem, the difference is having access to the fintech, to the knowledge base, to the money management, for some it works, for others it doesn't, usually they switch to another bank to maintain access unless they have deep connections to set up their own fund.

I’m kind of between situations the past months, I spent over a year setting up and incubating a hedge fund for someone but even though the wealth managers told them what to do they kept getting corona, and ignoring the consultants requirement to scale back their expectations from 100% to 50% for the fund to limit over trading and limit investor demands, it was their platform after all .

Now I'm in the slow process of fund managing myself which takes a year and more, but am struggling how intensely uninteresting 15-20%pa is as it's close to income, so the wealth managers and architects came up with a pure Alpha approach over benchmark this year to generate capital, however still need to exclude most people via KYC simply because low levels of initial capital (under $10,000s) means the fee on Alpha over benchmark needs to be 50% and above.

The markets are designed to make sure you do not succeed, you can generate income via a single deviation level where everyone calls 1-2% per month over zero benchmark success except it's not transferable to the next person, but it seems like that's not what you are looking for, you want to generate capital (the 2x 5x 10x). That needs you to be able to see the money flow in the markets and then 'tag' the moves layering in to them, we use a database which exchanges themselves use to process the data for the algos in realtime to show the flows before (based on probability) and as they happen on all levels, everyone else will see them at 85% to 100% completion on a single level, that's the difference between capital and income.

Here's a little fact of life, if you try and make it better you will invariably make it worse which is where debt comes in because that's the ultimate goal of taking on debt, it's difficult to service with income and ultimately needs capital, everything you will come across in the markets is to create income (single level visible at 85% to 100% of move completion), I ran family offices for people creating capital using the architecture which dropped the timeline down to months, even with access to architecture and algos it would take you 2yrs to learn how to create capital, on your own it would be up to 10yrs because you have to design and build it yourself (there is nothing publicly nor privately available to help you), income is great to survive, but if you want to live you need capital!

Very interesting take. I see a lot of "trading as a career" or "trading for income" but if I'm about to take on excessive risk, I need to be paid at least 1 order of magnitude (preferably more) more than I otherwise would in a job with equivalent time, stress, and sanity spent. So, for example, if I am an engineer (currently am) making $200,000 a year with zero risk to the downside on my account (because the boss doesn't subtract money from my paycheck every month if I make a wrong decision), for trading to be worthwhile I would at least need to make $2,000,000 a year, and desirably more. Why else do it? Endless stress trying to beat out the market isn't worth it unless you get paid big time. I don't want an income; I want a fortune.

The knowledge/information gap is so large, and I understand it now. I will never have access to information that large banks and hedge funds probably take for granted, and like you said, trying to gain that information and build that infrastructure could take many years. I guess the way forward for me is to try and get in with the right crowd and use their money or connections to try and take down some serious coin without having to build my own account, however, like you said, 20%pa isn't exactly an exciting life.

Lately, I've begun to think that my entire approach to wealth and trading is wrong. Everyone talks about risk, which is essentially trying to cover your ass when you are wrong, but perhaps the opposite approach is needed. Maybe rather than trying to optimize portfolio management and worry about how much you are going to potentially lose, the solution is to target opportunities with asymmetric upside and worry about risk second. Go big or go home, type of deal.

I personally find that when I am 99% sure of where the price is going to go next (sometimes you just know), and it hits, I wish I had leveraged more. Maybe the solution is to bet really big when you're almost certain you're right and then not bet at all any other time. This would kind of blow the 1% per trade nonsense out of the water but perhaps that's what's needed to have asymmetric gains.
 
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People think the market is this thing where everyone interacts and chart patterns ultimately form, but I firmly believe it's a rigged-game and then sold to the public...

The patterns form because everyone interacts. That is how you get support/resistance levels. EVERYONE thinks the markets will hit resistance and fall, so EVERYONE sells at the perceived resistance level and the market falls once enough people sell at that perceived level. When the dust settles, in hindsight, everyone goes "yep, that was the resistance level". Self-fulfilling pattern.

It takes a few algos from big firms to go NOPE, let's believe in the instrument, and buy buy buys, and the resistance is broken. Then the sells go "oh, it's not really resistance any longer" and pile in with longs. That's the natural undulations of it. So you see, it is not "designed" that way...It is we who are the designers of it.
 
That's called averaging into a loser, or averaging into a winner. It doesn't work unless you have unlimited capital and unlimited time in futures.



FALSE!

The "markets" are not designed to make sure you win or lose. They are what they are. That is like saying nature designed the tree to fall in the wrong direction after you screwed up how you used the chainsaw to fell it.

Layering in. Really? C'mon man, I am living proof that that strategy can fail big time. And that's what happened in 2007, no?

I don't know , I think he's right. The times I made money were when I was in at a good area, price was going in my favor, and I kept adding into my position so that when it finally hit, my 3:1 trade because 6:1 or more. If your initial position is far enough away you can add to your size and still cover to breakeven if necessary. I tend to give money back which is the reason I can't sustain profitability, but I found that while I don't have a statistical backtested strategy (edge, so to speak), reading the market on a discretionary basis in real time has produced the most promising results and one I would like to further pursue. These results were largely based on getting into trades at good areas and then aggressively adding to positions when right, so that when my profit target was hit I was hitting with big size (relative to the initial position).
 
The patterns form because everyone interacts. That is how you get support/resistance levels. EVERYONE thinks the markets will hit resistance and fall, so EVERYONE sells at the perceived resistance level and the market falls once enough people sell at that perceived level. When the dust settles, in hindsight, everyone goes "yep, that was the resistance level". Self-fulfilling pattern.

It takes a few algos from big firms to go NOPE, let's believe in the instrument, and buy buy buys, and the resistance is broken. Then the sells go "oh, it's not really resistance any longer" and pile in with longs. That's the natural undulations of it. So you see, it is not "designed" that way...It is we who are the designers of it.

Do you mind if I ask if you're profitable (and by a decent margin)?
 
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