Anyone else workout in here?
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If I had to put all my money on one, I'd put it on your blood sugar! You probably have neurological damage in the feedback mechanisms of relaying glycogen levels. You would be advised to try your best to consume a complex carbohydrate like oatmeal an hour before training so you can have consistant blood levels. Try that and see if that helps. If not, we might need to look into some neurotransmitter boosting supplements.
Sure, there are plenty, so many in fact, that I'd rather you google them up and read reviews on them. Dr. Young should ring a bell to you, once you get into the depths of understanding ph balancing. The Miracle of PH I believe it is called.
I'll put this real simple for everyone. You may think that pH balancing is dumb and/or is a ploy to sell supplements but let's take a common sense look at how your body tries to alkalize itself.
Cell respiration is similar to that of how a car gives off exhaust. Cell respiration's exhaust is lactic acid. The main way to get rid of bodily acids is through bodily fluids. They most effective way, however, is the stomach. You see, when the stomach senses a rise in pH (the higher the pH the more alkaline, and the lower the pH the more acidic) it secrets acid inside to help breakdown the food or beverage. The problem is that most of our diets are acidic. Chicken, pork, steak, soda, beer, pizza, crackers, cookies, (partially hydrogenated soybean oil and high fructose corn syrup) are all acidic. Well, if we're slamming down acidic food all day we are not giving our stomach the opportunity to rid the body of acids.
Most people cannot get rid of excess fat not because they are eating too many calories or not doing enough exercise but because their bodies are too acidic. Your body cannot and will not get rid of adipose tissue (fat) that is holding a lot of acid. Your body has to store the acid somewhere. Think of your inner body like a swimming pool. What happens if you don't toss in some chlorine? The water is going to get disgusting isn't it!? That's how your insides are.
I used to have acid-reflux before understanding the importance of pH balance, I no longer have it. My sweat and bodily secretions used to have a not so pleasant odor, that has also went away.
Men who suffer from gyno will also notice a significant difference. Aromatase (the enzyme responsible for converting testosterone into estrogen) is mainly stored in adipose tissue along with acids. Once you can rid your body of acids, your body will begin to get rid of the excess fat and thus you will not have any more places for aromatase to harbor and your gyno will subside.
Woo-hoo!! An intelligent response, more than i got from any MD.
God i hate medical practitioners.
"Hmm, those symptoms sound serious;show me your arms".
But yeah, theres only a few basic functions at work; right? I didnt hyperventilate, if i werent getting enough oxygen, in those circumstances i should have passed out completely, (like fainting) near as i can tell. If it were a heart problem, again , i wouldnt have got back up, period.
Obviously, i never had my blood pressure taken whilst blacking out, it may have been illuminating.
I have blood pressure problems NOW, due to crappy habits, but at that time, no, all normalish.
That only leaves blood sugar, and for a while (way back when) id have a banana an hour, half an hour before a workout, because i suspected that may have been the cause- it wasnt consistently helpfull re; blacking out, , i do beleive it helped immensely though.
I'd like to say it vastly reduced the risk of blackout, and it did-by about , say, 25-50%, but as usual, without rhyme nor reason, my best conclusion is however fit i thought i was , my diet, (despite being well above average, even now) was sitting on a knife edge of efficacy.
Hey, thats good-"a knife edge of efficacy", use it if you like.
But a banana isnt oatmeal, either-i would be loath to have something that heavy THAT close to a workout, even the idea of bananas, easily digested and used, so close to a workout, im not sure of.
I know it works, in an extended workout, i could swear you could feel it kicking in, (banana power that is) like an afterburner, but yeah, its been a long time, you know, at 33 im washed up and passed it.
Im only harping on this because, surely, someone must have that same problem, and IF theres a good sidestep to it, apart from (cough, blech) "low impact" sort of exercises, then that has to be usefull.
And to any cynics, DO remember im not talking about being "very" puffed, people who vomit there guts up in pre-season are pussies, and i cant beleive nobody has seen, or heard of this effect.
PS, the vision goes first, from the outside of your feild of veiw first, rapidly decreasing to a dot, then, thats it.
Lightheadedness, and loss of balance simultaneously-all taking place within, around-2 to 8 seconds, once it kicks in, irreversably.
Thats not a lot of time, it did happen once at water polo, you better beleive i moved like greased lightning to the side of the pool, with contingency plans to bounce of the bottom-which i did, balance isnt so important in the water, up is up.
Thanks matt, you have provided at least a theory, a hypothesis, something, which many paid professionals have chosen to completely ignore, regarding what could be, in certain circumstances, a -well, a damn dangerous situation.
Obviously, im not such a health nut now, but who knows, wherever my mojo went, it can't have been too far.
And if you hear of this problem, or find anything about it, let me, and anyone else know, obviously.
It does appear hypglycemia is to blame, as you have pinpointed the only possible mechanisms to cause such a problem.Quote from acronym:
Woo-hoo!! An intelligent response, more than i got from any MD.
God i hate medical practitioners.
"Hmm, those symptoms sound serious;show me your arms".
But yeah, theres only a few basic functions at work; right? I didnt hyperventilate, if i werent getting enough oxygen, in those circumstances i should have passed out completely, (like fainting) near as i can tell. If it were a heart problem, again , i wouldnt have got back up, period.
Obviously, i never had my blood pressure taken whilst blacking out, it may have been illuminating.
I have blood pressure problems NOW, due to crappy habits, but at that time, no, all normalish.
That only leaves blood sugar, and for a while (way back when) id have a banana an hour, half an hour before a workout, because i suspected that may have been the cause- it wasnt consistently helpfull re; blacking out, , i do beleive it helped immensely though.
I'd like to say it vastly reduced the risk of blackout, and it did-by about , say, 25-50%, but as usual, without rhyme nor reason, my best conclusion is however fit i thought i was , my diet, (despite being well above average, even now) was sitting on a knife edge of efficacy.
Hey, thats good-"a knife edge of efficacy", use it if you like.
But a banana isnt oatmeal, either-i would be loath to have something that heavy THAT close to a workout, even the idea of bananas, easily digested and used, so close to a workout, im not sure of.
I know it works, in an extended workout, i could swear you could feel it kicking in, (banana power that is) like an afterburner, but yeah, its been a long time, you know, at 33 im washed up and passed it.
Im only harping on this because, surely, someone must have that same problem, and IF theres a good sidestep to it, apart from (cough, blech) "low impact" sort of exercises, then that has to be usefull.
And to any cynics, DO remember im not talking about being "very" puffed, people who vomit there guts up in pre-season are pussies, and i cant beleive nobody has seen, or heard of this effect.
PS, the vision goes first, from the outside of your feild of veiw first, rapidly decreasing to a dot, then, thats it.
Lightheadedness, and loss of balance simultaneously-all taking place within, around-2 to 8 seconds, once it kicks in, irreversably.
Thats not a lot of time, it did happen once at water polo, you better beleive i moved like greased lightning to the side of the pool, with contingency plans to bounce of the bottom-which i did, balance isnt so important in the water, up is up.
Thanks matt, you have provided at least a theory, a hypothesis, something, which many paid professionals have chosen to completely ignore, regarding what could be, in certain circumstances, a -well, a damn dangerous situation.
Obviously, im not such a health nut now, but who knows, wherever my mojo went, it can't have been too far.
And if you hear of this problem, or find anything about it, let me, and anyone else know, obviously.
Fructose is easily digested and that is the problem here my friend. You get a huge surge in blood sugar and then an even more rapid decent. You need to consume a complex carbohydrate for a more even insulin response. If your stomach is ultra sensitive try timing it out to where you eat oatmeal (or any other complex carb like a sweet potato) 2 hours before your workout. I can almost assure that this will help the problem immensely.
When glycogen relay signals are hindered it can be an EXTREMELY dangerous situation. Please be careful!!
I will get Dr. James Daemon's opinion on this. (www.synergy-solutions.org) This guy is a walking encyclopedia..
I relayed to Dr. James Daemon what I suggested/thought was the problem.. He had this to say..
"Hey mate,
I think you're right that he is suffering from a
neurological disorder- although exactly where the problem lies is
really impossible to tell. I think you're going along the right lines
pinning down what it's most likely to be, and trying certain things.
As vision goes first- It could be an imbalance in something as odd as
the cochlea, damage to the tiny organ responsible for balance (during
M.T. sessions where the position is shifting and the need for balance
is greater than with weights)
could conceivably cause a kind of neurological motion sickness, which
would make itself manifest firstly through ocular abnormalities. It
would be interesting to stick your friend on a wobble board and cover
his eyes, and see how long he can balance for, and if he starts to
feel sick, then to uncover his eyes and try again and to note the
difference.
Theres a condition in which the sufferer has hypnogogic
hallucinations, where for no reason at all the room will start
rocking, and spinning, and they will feel like they-re on a
rollercoaster, or turning over in a plane- as the eyes are following
the 'motion'- nausea soon follows. People who are prone to this will
start to feel motion sickness if they play a first person shooter
game like Doom (showing my age now!)
The real fucker about neurological conditions is that you can do the
same things day in/day out, and then for no apparent reason, it will
hit you, but medical science will always adopt the position of "How
frequent is it..? In which case fuck it" They cant aggressively chase
down conclusions and diagnose because a) they haven't got the money,
and b) theyre petrified of lawsuits.
I would suggest if you suspect a problem with glycogen- is to drop
the intensity marginally (5-10%) and get him to drink 50gms of
glucose before a session. Repeat this and see if he encounters the
same problem again.
Please pass on my best wishes to your friend, and stick with him!"
Please let me know if you have any questions..
"Hey mate,
I think you're right that he is suffering from a
neurological disorder- although exactly where the problem lies is
really impossible to tell. I think you're going along the right lines
pinning down what it's most likely to be, and trying certain things.
As vision goes first- It could be an imbalance in something as odd as
the cochlea, damage to the tiny organ responsible for balance (during
M.T. sessions where the position is shifting and the need for balance
is greater than with weights)
could conceivably cause a kind of neurological motion sickness, which
would make itself manifest firstly through ocular abnormalities. It
would be interesting to stick your friend on a wobble board and cover
his eyes, and see how long he can balance for, and if he starts to
feel sick, then to uncover his eyes and try again and to note the
difference.
Theres a condition in which the sufferer has hypnogogic
hallucinations, where for no reason at all the room will start
rocking, and spinning, and they will feel like they-re on a
rollercoaster, or turning over in a plane- as the eyes are following
the 'motion'- nausea soon follows. People who are prone to this will
start to feel motion sickness if they play a first person shooter
game like Doom (showing my age now!)
The real fucker about neurological conditions is that you can do the
same things day in/day out, and then for no apparent reason, it will
hit you, but medical science will always adopt the position of "How
frequent is it..? In which case fuck it" They cant aggressively chase
down conclusions and diagnose because a) they haven't got the money,
and b) theyre petrified of lawsuits.
I would suggest if you suspect a problem with glycogen- is to drop
the intensity marginally (5-10%) and get him to drink 50gms of
glucose before a session. Repeat this and see if he encounters the
same problem again.
Please pass on my best wishes to your friend, and stick with him!"
Please let me know if you have any questions..
Holy crap.
Well thats interesting-as ive mentioned, i dont do much in the way of exercise now, however, from my recollection, regarding this problem, in light of said comments;
_duration of workout was irrelevant, could occur in the first 5 minutes, 30th, 50th minute, or any other time. Most of my workouts didnt exceed 40 minutes, depending on exertion at work, likely similiar to amateur mma stylists now.
-fitness levels never seemed to be relevant, i had the problem before a "peak fitness" timframe, and after, obviously it occured more often when more workouts occur.
-Motion sickness, i never had any nausea whatsoever, & i was able to categorically eliminate "exhaustion sickness" (marathon runners collapsing etc) from the other symptomology.
_ it also occured with sprint training, and generally speaking, i would say weights caused a more immediate reaction than in fact bagwork, typically, on an entirely unpredictable basis.
However-with a history of extensive blunt force head trauma, and an upper back injury, which often caused "sparks" to fly in front of my eyes from sheer pain, (obviously i curtailed elbow bagwork to a minimum, i should have known better on some occasions-but a degree of fitness/strength/condition was necessary to mitigate it, too, as with many injuries) the nuerological aspect/nerve pathway aspect cannot be ignored.
Well thats interesting-as ive mentioned, i dont do much in the way of exercise now, however, from my recollection, regarding this problem, in light of said comments;
_duration of workout was irrelevant, could occur in the first 5 minutes, 30th, 50th minute, or any other time. Most of my workouts didnt exceed 40 minutes, depending on exertion at work, likely similiar to amateur mma stylists now.
-fitness levels never seemed to be relevant, i had the problem before a "peak fitness" timframe, and after, obviously it occured more often when more workouts occur.
-Motion sickness, i never had any nausea whatsoever, & i was able to categorically eliminate "exhaustion sickness" (marathon runners collapsing etc) from the other symptomology.
_ it also occured with sprint training, and generally speaking, i would say weights caused a more immediate reaction than in fact bagwork, typically, on an entirely unpredictable basis.
However-with a history of extensive blunt force head trauma, and an upper back injury, which often caused "sparks" to fly in front of my eyes from sheer pain, (obviously i curtailed elbow bagwork to a minimum, i should have known better on some occasions-but a degree of fitness/strength/condition was necessary to mitigate it, too, as with many injuries) the nuerological aspect/nerve pathway aspect cannot be ignored.