This forum is about discussing the documentary Zeitgeist and what it claims to be the enslavement of the human race.
I would appreciate all thoughts on both sides of the issue.
The reason I am creating this thread is as follows:
I started trading for one simple reason. I know I am an entrepreneur. I have and always will be one.
Upon realizing what I was, I began to search for ways on how to use the skill I was created with. This meant starting a business, which is almost impossible without capital. I couldnât get enough capital no matter of what I did so I became an entrepreneur the only way I knew how, Sales.
The Reason I needed to become separate or "independent" were as follows:
I noticed that companies paid tax on net income not gross. I noticed that Nortel had insane revenues but declared little net in comparison.
I then realized that if we charged all companies tax on revenue and not net we would bankrupt them, and in fact we would have bankrupt them before they ever started.
This led me to conclude that if every person is their own business, (this is true because the most heavily traded commodity is time, and when you work you are "Trading Your Time") then taxing the populous on gross will only lead to no growth, and debt bondage/slavery, since the business costs of running themselves are not tax deductible.
I am an excellent salesman, and I found peace in the fact that not only was the oldest profession sales, but sales was also the only form of entrepreneurship that required no capital.
From the time I was a boy I thought that stockbrokers bought and sold stock like a trader does and just gave advice to the customer that they were following themselves. We all know this is not the case, but many still believe this to be true.
After realizing the problem with "Sales" I looked into trading and began to trade securities. This was back in the late 90s so naturally I thought I was good at it. It occurred to me later that all one had to do was throw a dart at the business section and wherever that dart landed was the stock you would buy and it would be a winner.
Luckily for me I spent all my money before the collapse, so I only lost profit. LoL.
So then this movie zeitgeist comes out, and explains with REVERSE logic that we are in perpetual debt that enslaves people. Obviously this immediately made me think about how to get around the power over me, as Iâm sure it did with many of you.
At the end of the movie it brings a call to action, like any good speechmaker would write. It says: "The revolution is now!"
This is where the problem is. Noticing that I was in debt bondage, revolution seemed like the natural course of action, and it was. I noticed that in every single circumstance, oppression always brought revolution, whether it was the American Revolution or something small like bullyâs oppression over students in columbine. The fact remained that free will was in human nature and that nature would always try to protect itself by any means necessary, even violent revolution.
I also realized that technology, and knowledge although being oppressed, still found a way to excel, and it had been from the times of the spinning jenny at the minimum.
This led me to conclude that if technology doesnât grow in tandem with humanity, there will be a violent revolution.
Well, technology hasnât kept up with humanity. The nuclear bomb is an extremely easy concept, for the technology is at least 60 yrs old. Its predates the VIC 20 and the commodore 64, and its only a matter of time before some 14 kid from Idaho builds a nuke. (I know weapons grade uranium is hard to get but is regular uranium? there are many ways to separate it). If this kid was a suicide bomber we would be in serious trouble.
So after hearing the "Zeitgeist" Call for revolution, I can only say,
"Thank you for bringing this information, it has helped me a great deal. And I understand your reason to revolt, but... revolution is always violent, and it does bring change, but this change is always in the form of another cycle, and we donât need to STOP the oppressors, we need to find a place for them in our unity. Itâs the CYCLE that we need to stop.
That being said lets take a look at the problem and how it was created.
We have perpetual debt that increases the economy/ money supply. This debt is paid in forwarded taxation. This sucks, for obvious reasons, but my question remains! "WHER THE FU#K would we be without this system? In the dark ages! The truth remains, no matter how bad it sounds. And that truth is, WE OWE THE MONEY SUPPLIERS OUR WORLD PERIOD! They created it.
However, we do not owe them our FREE WILL.
Thus both sides are right in some way, which makes the worst kind of wars.
If these unambitious small minded men want to control the world, then let them.
Move on.
Thereâs more to life as a libertarian and a fascist.
Before I became a libertarian (I just use that word because it seems to be the closest to what I am) I was a great fascist, with real ambition. I didnât want to rule the world after the age of 20, I wanted to rule existence itself!
So my point is, we need to embrace this information, and start talking about it. And we start talking about it by disproving everything we can about it.
Then, and only then, will we realize what we need to do?
We need to keep the system by INVESTING in exponential production. This will increase the size of the "KNOWNâ world and in turn give both control to the controllers and freedom to the entrepreneurs of the universe.
Thatâs my thought, but what your take on the documentary?
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
I would appreciate all thoughts on both sides of the issue.
The reason I am creating this thread is as follows:
I started trading for one simple reason. I know I am an entrepreneur. I have and always will be one.
Upon realizing what I was, I began to search for ways on how to use the skill I was created with. This meant starting a business, which is almost impossible without capital. I couldnât get enough capital no matter of what I did so I became an entrepreneur the only way I knew how, Sales.
The Reason I needed to become separate or "independent" were as follows:
I noticed that companies paid tax on net income not gross. I noticed that Nortel had insane revenues but declared little net in comparison.
I then realized that if we charged all companies tax on revenue and not net we would bankrupt them, and in fact we would have bankrupt them before they ever started.
This led me to conclude that if every person is their own business, (this is true because the most heavily traded commodity is time, and when you work you are "Trading Your Time") then taxing the populous on gross will only lead to no growth, and debt bondage/slavery, since the business costs of running themselves are not tax deductible.
I am an excellent salesman, and I found peace in the fact that not only was the oldest profession sales, but sales was also the only form of entrepreneurship that required no capital.
From the time I was a boy I thought that stockbrokers bought and sold stock like a trader does and just gave advice to the customer that they were following themselves. We all know this is not the case, but many still believe this to be true.
After realizing the problem with "Sales" I looked into trading and began to trade securities. This was back in the late 90s so naturally I thought I was good at it. It occurred to me later that all one had to do was throw a dart at the business section and wherever that dart landed was the stock you would buy and it would be a winner.
Luckily for me I spent all my money before the collapse, so I only lost profit. LoL.
So then this movie zeitgeist comes out, and explains with REVERSE logic that we are in perpetual debt that enslaves people. Obviously this immediately made me think about how to get around the power over me, as Iâm sure it did with many of you.
At the end of the movie it brings a call to action, like any good speechmaker would write. It says: "The revolution is now!"
This is where the problem is. Noticing that I was in debt bondage, revolution seemed like the natural course of action, and it was. I noticed that in every single circumstance, oppression always brought revolution, whether it was the American Revolution or something small like bullyâs oppression over students in columbine. The fact remained that free will was in human nature and that nature would always try to protect itself by any means necessary, even violent revolution.
I also realized that technology, and knowledge although being oppressed, still found a way to excel, and it had been from the times of the spinning jenny at the minimum.
This led me to conclude that if technology doesnât grow in tandem with humanity, there will be a violent revolution.
Well, technology hasnât kept up with humanity. The nuclear bomb is an extremely easy concept, for the technology is at least 60 yrs old. Its predates the VIC 20 and the commodore 64, and its only a matter of time before some 14 kid from Idaho builds a nuke. (I know weapons grade uranium is hard to get but is regular uranium? there are many ways to separate it). If this kid was a suicide bomber we would be in serious trouble.
So after hearing the "Zeitgeist" Call for revolution, I can only say,
"Thank you for bringing this information, it has helped me a great deal. And I understand your reason to revolt, but... revolution is always violent, and it does bring change, but this change is always in the form of another cycle, and we donât need to STOP the oppressors, we need to find a place for them in our unity. Itâs the CYCLE that we need to stop.
That being said lets take a look at the problem and how it was created.
We have perpetual debt that increases the economy/ money supply. This debt is paid in forwarded taxation. This sucks, for obvious reasons, but my question remains! "WHER THE FU#K would we be without this system? In the dark ages! The truth remains, no matter how bad it sounds. And that truth is, WE OWE THE MONEY SUPPLIERS OUR WORLD PERIOD! They created it.
However, we do not owe them our FREE WILL.
Thus both sides are right in some way, which makes the worst kind of wars.
If these unambitious small minded men want to control the world, then let them.
Move on.
Thereâs more to life as a libertarian and a fascist.
Before I became a libertarian (I just use that word because it seems to be the closest to what I am) I was a great fascist, with real ambition. I didnât want to rule the world after the age of 20, I wanted to rule existence itself!
So my point is, we need to embrace this information, and start talking about it. And we start talking about it by disproving everything we can about it.
Then, and only then, will we realize what we need to do?
We need to keep the system by INVESTING in exponential production. This will increase the size of the "KNOWNâ world and in turn give both control to the controllers and freedom to the entrepreneurs of the universe.
Thatâs my thought, but what your take on the documentary?
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/