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Schumer blocks Senate GOP school safety bill
The bill, named after Parkland, Florida, shooting victims Luke Hoyer and Alex Schachter, would require the Department of Homeland Security to establish a "Federal Clearinghouse on School Safety Best Practices" for use by state and local educational and law-enforcement agencies, institutions of higher education, health professionals, and the public. And it would require DHS to "collect clearinghouse data analytics, user feedback on the implementation of best practices and recommendations identified by the clearinghouse, and any evaluations conducted on these best practices and recommendations."
 
gwb-trading said:
Some part of the numerous school shootings in the U.S. needs to be tied back to personal and parental responsibility.

I grew up in suburban Long Island near the NYC line. Our public high school -- back in the 70s/80s -- had both a archery and riflery team. Every day (during the season) students would bring their guns and bows into school for practices & competitions against other schools. Our school also had a Junior RTOC program. The NRA every year also sponsored programs from elementary school & up about gun safety.

We never had a problem with students shooting up schools with guns during this time -- even though the 1970s was a fairly active period of civil & racial strife in the U.S. What has changed? What causes students (or recent students) to suddenly start showing up and shooting up schools in the past couple of decades?
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Some states (not many) have now realized the connection between school shootings, and violence in their communities is directly related to the irresponsibilities of the parents of those youths.

Further, they understand the increasing connection with minorities working jobs at night or the evenings even on the weekends when there's nobody monitoring the activities of their children while the parents are at work.

Some cities are now trying some extreme measures such as using a curfew for youths that typically say youth can not be outside after 10pm unless they're with an adult.

The few that have done those types of curfews, the shooting was related to a youth being shot or when a youth shot someone in an upscale area or popular tourist area of their city.
There are those that say "curfews" don't work but I would argue that curfews worked before in the far past of the Mafia/Gangs era during the bootlegging or speakeasy days when crime was skyrocketing back then in major urban communities.

Unfortunately, it didn't work in the 90's when it was tried again because I remember going for late walks with my mom and siblings (young adults) along Lake Shore when I would visit while on leave from the military and then visit while in grad school. I would see a lot of youth walking around, especially on hot nights...very little police presence.

Fortunately, it was an area with low violence and more upscale.
  • Not discussed often enough...crime rises dramatically with increasing weather temperatures in any city in North America.
Regardless, there's in fact a connection between violence and parents not monitoring their youths in the evening and/or late at night especially today with more parents working jobs that are typically not 8am to 5pm along with the fact there's an increasing number of parents working on the weekends...

Simply, more youths are not being supervised that has a correlation with more violent crimes by youths regardless if its at night or during the day.

wrbtrader
 
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wrbtrader said:
Some states (not many) have now realized the connection between school shootings, and violence in their communities is directly related to the irresponsibilities of the parents of those youths.
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You can mesure the level of intelligence of the second amendment fans. The more arms they have the less brains.
 
Tsing Tao said:
Right. So would you concede - even slightly - that what has worked elsewhere might have to be adjusted, or might not work, on the US because of the sheer amount of guns in circulation?

By the way, you get bonus points every time you use the phrase "round and round we go".
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All you are doing is arguing down solutions for inaction. So yes round and round we go, which brings me back to the only rational thing to do in an unregulated gun society… arm the kids.
 
Mercor said:
Schumer blocks Senate GOP school safety bill
The bill, named after Parkland, Florida, shooting victims Luke Hoyer and Alex Schachter, would require the Department of Homeland Security to establish a "Federal Clearinghouse on School Safety Best Practices" for use by state and local educational and law-enforcement agencies, institutions of higher education, health professionals, and the public. And it would require DHS to "collect clearinghouse data analytics, user feedback on the implementation of best practices and recommendations identified by the clearinghouse, and any evaluations conducted on these best practices and recommendations."
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The Titanic's decorating committee want to form a sub-committee to inventory crooked picture frames. Gotcha.
 
VEGASDESERT said:
20 of the last 30 deadliest mass shootings since 1950 have been in the social media
and graphic video game era. Call me crazy, i think there is a connection.
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Someone at ET posted a yearly graph that showed Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, and other social media with streaming services...their popularity rise with the rise in violent crimes.

Yet, there needs to be caution with those types of correlations because I still remember a funny discussion between my grandmother and my mother about how wild my mother was in France when she was into American rock n roll.

Often warning her she could become pregnant if she danced that way with that young military officer she met at the record store. :D
  • The Beatles.
  • The Rolling Stones.
  • Elvis Presley
  • Jefferson Airplane.
  • Cream.
  • Pink Floyd.
  • Simon & Garfunkel.
  • The Byrds.
wrbtrader
 
Mercor said:
Schumer blocks Senate GOP school safety bill
The bill, named after Parkland, Florida, shooting victims Luke Hoyer and Alex Schachter, would require the Department of Homeland Security to establish a "Federal Clearinghouse on School Safety Best Practices" for use by state and local educational and law-enforcement agencies, institutions of higher education, health professionals, and the public. And it would require DHS to "collect clearinghouse data analytics, user feedback on the implementation of best practices and recommendations identified by the clearinghouse, and any evaluations conducted on these best practices and recommendations."
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Damned republicans!
 
UsualName said:
All you are doing is arguing down solutions for inaction. So yes round and round we go, which brings me back to the only rational thing to do in an unregulated gun society… arm the kids.
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Ok, you're just not a serious player in this discussion. I've done everything I can to try to get you to discuss, you just don't want to - which I suspect has to do with the fact that you (deep down) realize you don't have solutions that would work in the real world.

Shout at the rain, then. Because that's all you're good for, and all you're going to get in return.
 
Tsing Tao said:
Ok, you're just not a serious player in this discussion. I've done everything I can to try to get you to discuss, you just don't want to - which I suspect has to do with the fact that you (deep down) realize you don't have solutions that would work in the real world.

Shout at the rain, then. Because that's all you're good for, and all you're going to get in return.
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Well then lead the way for all of us.

I will reiterate again, no one wants take anyone’s guns. All we need to do is 3 things:

1. register weapons yearly to stop the pipeline from dealers to streets

2. background checks, no criminals and what not

3. mental health screenings/proficiency exams

It’s basic. Most other countries do it and it works.
 
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