Another Bang Up Job By The Pollsters
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Terry has no history of being a good campaigner. He is a dnc hack who runs dnc style campaigns by piling in loads of other big wig democrats around him to look better than he is. If they are not lookin good then he is isn't.
He ran for governor three times. Never got even 50% of the vote in any of the races. First time he bombed out in the primary with some piddling amount of votes. Second time he won the governorship with 46-47% or so because there was a three way split. And then yesterday's vote where he got less than 50%. He tried to pile in other dems and teachers union head around him and they were not lookin good so he was not looking good. Younkin's votes were not that much more but considering that he came in cold with no history or machine and everything he had he brought through his own skills, it was A LOT.
If Bubba Clinton had not aged-out and lost his abilities he could have rescued that situation by campaigning there. Obama was one of the greatest campaigners in history- right up there equal with Bubba- but his appearance in VA with Terry was appalling. He came in - dismissed and dissed the parents as racists dog whistles- and then left. Just appalling. It is like the old definition of a consultant: "A consultant is like a seagull who flies in, shits on a bunch of, and then leaves." Bubba- in earlier years- would have gone right in and felt their pain, more than they did.
and helped Terry. I would not be surprised if Carville was off somewhere thinking the same thing. Bubba would have salvaged that. Terry has spent most of his life around Bubba. Absolutely nothing rubbed off. Long way of saying again, that he does not bring much to the party so is only as good as those packed in around him from the DNC. Of course, that was Joe Biden's story too, right. Can't win anything, anywhere but pile Jim Clyburn in next to him. That works, until Jim isnt next to him.
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Yeah, brilliant post. Idiot.
The guy is a loser. They brought out Biden, Obama, and the Clintons for this guy and he got his ass kicked.
I can't disagree that he grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory. He did it, he owns it.
His comment was not a slap in the face of parents, he just forgot that fake CRT was a factor. He meant that teachers and boards should do what they do and normally that's fine.
He forgot for a moment the igits are hopped up on the CRT conspiracy and the comment would be taken a very different way.
The winner won using a big lie, the loser lost because he played it like Hillary might have.
They failed to prove CRT doesn't exist
The parents were aware of the books and the criteria....yet the Dems could not make a coherent counter argument .......because they got caught
Republicans: democrats put a needle in that hay stack
Democrats: no we didn’t
Republicans: democrats didn’t prove there’s not a needle in that hay stack
Anyways, what you all miss is CRT was as much of a strawman as Trump was on the ballot. It’s all smoke and mirrors. The problem is weak minded people actually believe these things like CRT, voter fraud, etc actually exist and they become radicalized. Move on.
You cannot often win against a big lie attack like that, its why they are disapproved of. You are trash so won't understand anything (not a big lie) but the use of big lie should be rejected by conservatives, it is too corrosive.
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Liberals here on these boards are a perfect example of the confirmation bias that infects the political left and its affiliates.
CRT, Defund the Police, Genderism, Class Warfare are just symptoms of the divisive wokeness that drives the party today. You people are oblivious and unable to understand the simple fact your message doesn’t resonate with mainstream voters. Instead you blame the voter for not swallowing your BS.
Hats off to James Carville for calling it what it is.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-need-to-go-to-a-woke-detox-center/ar-AAQikHR
Woodruff asked Carville.
“What went wrong was this stupid wokeness,” said Carville. “Don’t just look at Virginia and New Jersey. Look at Long Island, look at Buffalo, look at Minneapolis, even look at Seattle, Washington. I mean, this defund the police lunacy, this ‘take Abraham Lincoln’s name off schools, people see that.”
Carville said the woke left has had a “suppressive effect” for Democrats in races across the country.
“Some of these people need to go to a woke detox center or something,” he continued. “They’re expressing language people just don’t use and there’s a backlash and a frustration at that.
CRT, Defund the Police, Genderism, Class Warfare are just symptoms of the divisive wokeness that drives the party today. You people are oblivious and unable to understand the simple fact your message doesn’t resonate with mainstream voters. Instead you blame the voter for not swallowing your BS.
Hats off to James Carville for calling it what it is.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-need-to-go-to-a-woke-detox-center/ar-AAQikHR
Woodruff asked Carville.
“What went wrong was this stupid wokeness,” said Carville. “Don’t just look at Virginia and New Jersey. Look at Long Island, look at Buffalo, look at Minneapolis, even look at Seattle, Washington. I mean, this defund the police lunacy, this ‘take Abraham Lincoln’s name off schools, people see that.”
Carville said the woke left has had a “suppressive effect” for Democrats in races across the country.
“Some of these people need to go to a woke detox center or something,” he continued. “They’re expressing language people just don’t use and there’s a backlash and a frustration at that.
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Why Republicans did well in the Virginia and New Jersey elections
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/03/1051...well-in-the-virginia-and-new-jersey-elections
Republicans rode a wave of conservative energy Tuesday night to a win in the election for Virginia governor and to land a better-than-expected finish in New Jersey, a race that is still too close to call, according to The Associated Press.
There were major shifts in both states in key counties and with key voting groups.
In Virginia, Republican Glenn Youngkin did better than President Donald Trump did in 2020 in every single county in the state.
In New Jersey, it was a similar story, with Republican Jack Ciattarelli improving on Trump's margins in 20 of 21 counties (so far) and flipping four from Democratic to Republican.
The result in the Virginia governor's race Tuesday night highlighted some major shifts in the electorate, according to exit polls. (There were no exit polls in New Jersey.)
The shifts were notable, especially considering that education and how children are taught in schools about racism dominated as a campaign issue.
Overall, the electorate in Virginia was older and whiter than in the 2020 presidential election — both were advantages for Youngkin.
Voters between the ages of 18 and 29 were down significantly as a share of the electorate from 2020. Last year, they made up 1 in 5 voters. In this election, they were just 1 in 10.
The biggest shift was among independents, a group that President Biden won last year by 19 percentage points but that Youngkin won by 9.
There were also notable double-digit shifts among women (+17 points toward the Republican), white women (+15 R), white voters overall (+15 R), suburban voters (+14 R), white people without college degrees (+28 R) and parents with children under 18 living at home (+12 R).
Among those who said parents should have a lot of say in what schools teach, Youngkin won them 76% to 23%, and those voters made up 51% of the electorate.
Youngkin's expansion with whites without college degrees is remarkable, considering how well Trump did with them. And it underscores that, right now, they are a group that is simply out of reach for Democrats.
Black voters, who are traditionally a backbone of the Democratic Party, made up a slightly lower share of the electorate than they did in 2020. They were 18% of the electorate then and 16% of the electorate in 2021. They also voted at a similar margin for Democrat Terry McAuliffe as they did for Biden last year.
But while Youngkin was able to ride a fired-up base that went for him in rural areas in some cases by wider margins than for Trump, McAuliffe wasn't able to do the same with Black voters.
Latinos and Asian Americans were also down slightly as a share of the electorate, but they voted in wider margins for McAuliffe this year than last. Whites with college degrees were also up 5 points as a share of the electorate and voted by about the same margin for McAuliffe as for Biden.
But the other shifts toward Youngkin more than offset these increases among key Democratic groups.
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/03/1051...well-in-the-virginia-and-new-jersey-elections
Republicans rode a wave of conservative energy Tuesday night to a win in the election for Virginia governor and to land a better-than-expected finish in New Jersey, a race that is still too close to call, according to The Associated Press.
There were major shifts in both states in key counties and with key voting groups.
In Virginia, Republican Glenn Youngkin did better than President Donald Trump did in 2020 in every single county in the state.
In New Jersey, it was a similar story, with Republican Jack Ciattarelli improving on Trump's margins in 20 of 21 counties (so far) and flipping four from Democratic to Republican.
The result in the Virginia governor's race Tuesday night highlighted some major shifts in the electorate, according to exit polls. (There were no exit polls in New Jersey.)
The shifts were notable, especially considering that education and how children are taught in schools about racism dominated as a campaign issue.
Overall, the electorate in Virginia was older and whiter than in the 2020 presidential election — both were advantages for Youngkin.
Voters between the ages of 18 and 29 were down significantly as a share of the electorate from 2020. Last year, they made up 1 in 5 voters. In this election, they were just 1 in 10.
The biggest shift was among independents, a group that President Biden won last year by 19 percentage points but that Youngkin won by 9.
There were also notable double-digit shifts among women (+17 points toward the Republican), white women (+15 R), white voters overall (+15 R), suburban voters (+14 R), white people without college degrees (+28 R) and parents with children under 18 living at home (+12 R).
Among those who said parents should have a lot of say in what schools teach, Youngkin won them 76% to 23%, and those voters made up 51% of the electorate.
Youngkin's expansion with whites without college degrees is remarkable, considering how well Trump did with them. And it underscores that, right now, they are a group that is simply out of reach for Democrats.
Black voters, who are traditionally a backbone of the Democratic Party, made up a slightly lower share of the electorate than they did in 2020. They were 18% of the electorate then and 16% of the electorate in 2021. They also voted at a similar margin for Democrat Terry McAuliffe as they did for Biden last year.
But while Youngkin was able to ride a fired-up base that went for him in rural areas in some cases by wider margins than for Trump, McAuliffe wasn't able to do the same with Black voters.
Latinos and Asian Americans were also down slightly as a share of the electorate, but they voted in wider margins for McAuliffe this year than last. Whites with college degrees were also up 5 points as a share of the electorate and voted by about the same margin for McAuliffe as for Biden.
But the other shifts toward Youngkin more than offset these increases among key Democratic groups.
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