Analysis of Christopher Hitchen's argument against God

[OPTIONAL777]

So you claim to be without faith...

Now, there is a first...time for a new word:

stu, the afaithest...

Laughable really, someone claims they are "non" faith...but does not have knowledge (affirmative knowledge) to support their position.

It would be true if one would define the requirements of knowing God to proclaim they did not know God based on the lack of their own definitions of required fact to know God...however, lacking knowledge of God would also deny an ability to define God. To give anything a definition, requires knowledge. That which cannot be defined can in fact exist, but that which does not exist cannot be defined. Just as light exists, but darkness is nothing but an absence of the light. An absence of something is not an existence. Theist state a positive existence of God, but atheist counter with a positive existence of non God? Lunacy.

The more you tighten the screws, the more the faith comes to the surface.

Faith in human mind, faith in physical senses, faith remains faith...a way to generate a feeling of knowing where knowing is absent.

The honest admit to their respective faith, the cowards take refuge in "non" responses...

Quote from stu:

There would be no honesty and no honest discussion, in admitting to faith where there is non.

And having faith is quite clearly not making you at all impartial.

 

[killthesunshine]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

So you claim to be without faith...

Now, there is a first...time for a new word:

stu, the afaitheist...

where does your faith in God come from...obviously not from the evidence. Obviously not from logic. Obviously not from science.

So what is the origin of your certainty in things unproven? :eek:

 

[OPTIONAL777]

If human mind and human senses and human reason are the only check on the ultimate validity of the conclusions of human mind, human senses, and human reason...there can be nothing but faith in play as to ultimate conclusions.

I'm fine with atheist faith, I have no position to say that faith is wrong, and that theistic faith is superior or inferior to atheistic faith...just the fact that faith is fully in play for both parties who take a position of God or non God.

When I see atheists deny a practice of faith, it is surely intellectual dishonesty...

Only the agnostic who is fully open to any possibility, but has no faith in any particular conclusion, would be without faith.

The rest have taken a side in an argument that has no way to declare victory...

Quote from killthesunshine:

where does your faith in God come from...obviously not from the evidence. Obviously not from logic. Obviously not from science.

So what is the origin of your certainty in things unproven? :eek:

 

[LORD KAL-EL]

Quote from killthesunshine:

but you got the irrational brain to claim He does on no real evidence

you should be concerned you got some real squirrel running around in your head. :eek:

Lets just say I think you lack perception or perspective.
The rest of your post is just a silly personal attack

 

[killthesunshine]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

If human mind and human senses and human reason are the only check on the ultimate validity of the conclusions of human mind, human senses, and human reason...there can be nothing but faith in play as to ultimate conclusions.

I'm fine with atheist faith, I have no position to say that faith is wrong, and that theistic faith is superior or inferior to atheistic faith...just the fact that faith is fully in play for both parties who take a position of God or non God.

what else do we have but what we can prove?

it's not what you know but what you can prove.

 

[killthesunshine]

Quote from LORD KAL-EL:

Lets just say I think you lack perception or perspective.
The rest of your post is just a silly personal attack

let's just say i think you have a few squirrels running around in your head.

we have plenty of those humans in this world, we need rational people!

 

[OPTIONAL777]

What else do we have but what we can prove with untested instrumentation?

Think about it for a while...though it might hurt your brain to do so.

Imagine if you suddenly came to the realization that you could not faithlessly take an atheistic position...it would render you back to a state of uncertainty...

Theism gives comfort to the theist, just as much as atheism gives comfort to the atheist...it is a bridge of faith to a feeling of certainty where none can actually exist based on genuine critical thinking.

Remember, that real critical thinking begins with critically thinking about the tools you use in the process of critical thinking.

Quote from killthesunshine:

what else do we have but what we can prove?

it's not what you know but what you can prove.

 

[OPTIONAL777]

We need people who can understand a system working within the boundaries of that system...yes. Reason is a great tool...like a hammer is good for a nail. A screwdriver for hammering a nail? Not so good.

Be honest...is reason a product of man's mind, or did reason precede mankind?

Again, think deeply, it is going to start to hurt more and more...

Quote from killthesunshine:

let's just say i think you have a few squirrels running around in your head.

we have plenty of those humans in this world, we need rational people!

 

[LORD KAL-EL]

Quote from killthesunshine:

let's just say i think you have a few squirrels running around in your head.

we have plenty of those humans in this world, we need rational people!

People like you are not nearly as rational as they think they are.

 

[killthesunshine]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

We need people who can understand a system working within the boundaries of that system...yes. Reason is a great tool...like a hammer is good for a nail. A screwdriver for hammering a nail? Not so good.

Be honest...is reason a product of man's mind, or did reason precede mankind?

Again, think deeply, it is going to start to hurt more and more...

it is both. reason is the product of man's mind applied to reality.



that's my honest answer, so continue your argument..