Analysis of Christopher Hitchen's argument against God

[OPTIONAL777]

Who has stated that the universe was created by a great magician?

Magic is not real, but appears real to the ignorant. Magic is just following the rules of the game...and the big rule of the game of magic is playing tricks on the preconditioned mind.

When someone says God, you have some idea of what God is...but where did that idea come from? From your own imagination, or from what you accepted as a definition of God from others?

Is your concept of God different than the concept of theists?

No, it is not actually. Your concept is similar to the theists concept of God...except that you hold that their concept is not true, but you are using the same ideas or similar for God.

There are many different ideas of God, and if you were to leave the Judeo-Christian programming that you were brought up in, you might find that the terminology you attribute to God just shows your own conditioning.

It is okay if you reject something, who could stop you? You reject theism, but you first had theism in your mind to be able to reject it...

Quote from bigarrow:

Well stated killthesunshine, why aren't they saying the universe was created by a great magician who lived now and forever and passes on his genes through red headed freckled kids, they can't prove it isn't true so they must believe.

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Thus you expose your "logic" at work...

It's what you do longshot, when the going gets tough...you play the fool.

Nothing new.

Quote from killthesunshine:

i don't know what your on but i want some it. pm me, i'll get my doc to write me a script

 

[killthesunshine]

it's not what's you know it's what you can prove.

even our legal sys works this way. why because it's reasonable.

we don't burn witches anymore on your sayso optional

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Really, what you know doesn't matter, only what you can prove to another person?

Interesting self concept you have going on there...

Quote from killthesunshine:

it's not what's you know it's what you can prove.

even our legal sys works this way. why because it's reasonable.

we don't burn witches anymore on your sayso optional

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Can someone know the truth, but be unable to give evidence to another for that truth? Or could the person who demands the truth be incapable of understanding that truth that is given?

Quote from killthesunshine:

if you know truth, why can't you give evidence for it?

 

[jem]

Quote from LORD KAL-EL:

Well in all honesty we can't very well be in and observe a universe that doesn't support life.

Yes but given the building blocks of the universe and what we know of how it started... how likely is it that the universe would be set up just right so we can observe.


Scientific models say the odds are trillions and trillions to one against our universe being just right for life.

which is why it looks like our universe is designed if there is only one universe... But if there are almost infinite universes than anything is possible.

 

[killthesunshine]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Can someone know the truth, but be unable to give evidence to another for that truth? Or could the person who demands the truth be incapable of understanding that truth that is given?

could there be a god? how could we be more certain and less incredulous? you do the math

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Logically, there could be God, or god, or gods, or no God, or no god, or no gods.

So, wouldn't the purely logical position be open minded agnostic, and not closed minded atheist?

Logically, certainty is missing from the equation of God's existence or God's non existence...

That doesn't keep the atheists from their most illogical position that God does not exist...but the atheist as entitled to their faith in non God just as much theists are entitled to their faith in God...

Quote from killthesunshine:

could there be a god? how could we be more certain and less incredulous? you do the math

 

[killthesunshine]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Logically, there could be God, or god, or gods, or no God, or no god, or no gods.

So, wouldn't the purely logical position be open minded agnostic, and not closed minded atheist?

Logically, certainty is missing from the equation of God's existence or God's non existence...

That doesn't keep the atheists from their most illogical position that God does not exist...but the atheist as entitled to their faith in non God just as much theists are entitled to their faith in God...

"logically there could be a god"...prove it. let's see your logical proof..if it is valid and irrefutable i'll concede

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Ontological arguments, read them. They are logical proofs of God, based on the definition they implement. Not your Judeo Christian stuff...probably a bit too deep for your intellect to grasp.

I propose that there is Totality as a logical statement. Totality always exists, even if there were nothing, there would be a Totality of nothing. God=Totality. Therefore, God exists.

Quote from killthesunshine:

"logically there could be a god"...prove it. let's see your logical proof..if it is valid and irrefutable i'll concede