An Open Letter To Obama

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Haroki:

It's not that simple.

I'll give you a couple examples why:

Employers like homebuilders couldn't care less cuz the labor must be done here, and can't be outsourced. As long as there is an equal playing field for all players, they will just increase the same-to-same home prices to reflect increased labor costs. They will not pay more for labor. The home buyer will.

Agriculture needs it cuz they deal in commodities that can cross the border from areas with cheap labor. Now, some crops are hard to mechanize and so they definitely do. Those that can, would. And if some areas have to change from profitable, labor intensive crops to less profitable crops, there would need to be a change in land prices in order to make it feasible.

McDonalds? Why would they care? Again, any price increases will be past onto the consumer.

you ever build houses. i have. the little builders get squeezed by the big builders. the little builder sees a way to remain competitive. hire cheap labor. competition is a powerful force.

as far as farming there are very few fresh vegatables in your grocery store that can be mechanized, two reasons. some are too delicate and most produce in the field ripens in stages. you have to make several passes picking as it ripens because a machine cant tell if a strawberry is ripe or not.

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Buying or building a home on the cheap is why we get this:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/18/chinese.drywall/index.html

It isn't just cheap labor where contractors try to build up their profits and/or competitiveness...

Quote from Free Thinker:

you ever build houses. i have. the little builders get squeezed by the big builders. the little builder sees a way to remain competitive. hire cheap labor. competition is a powerful force.

as far as farming there are very few fresh vegatables in your grocery store that can be mechanized, two reasons. some are too delicate and most produce in the field ripens in stages. you have to make several passes picking as it ripens because a machine cant tell if a strawberry is ripe or not.

 

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Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Dear President Obama:

I'm planning to move my family and extended family into Mexico

Great.Fewer Republican voters

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from OPTIONAL777/ZZZzzzzz:

It is also quite a convenience to dismiss any point someone makes because they are right wingers.

No logic skills, no argumentation skills, nothing required but dismiss and deny...

A talent that <s>some</s> I have in spades...

Corrected for accuracy.

 

[FeenixRizin]

Don't forget your flag, so you can participate in mass protests demanding Mexican rights while waving the American flag

 

[Haroki]

Quote from Free Thinker:

you ever build houses. i have. the little builders get squeezed by the big builders. the little builder sees a way to remain competitive. hire cheap labor. competition is a powerful force.

as far as farming there are very few fresh vegatables in your grocery store that can be mechanized, two reasons. some are too delicate and most produce in the field ripens in stages. you have to make several passes picking as it ripens because a machine cant tell if a strawberry is ripe or not.

I don't build houses, but I do own a small business, and it's in agriculture. So I'm living exactly what you're talking about, and you're correct, that's exactly what we do. However, I can tell you that in the event that there were zero "cheap guys" to hire, and it was the same for everyone like me, it would make no difference to me, since the service I provide can't be outsourced.

Yes, the veggies in the market can't be converted to mechanization, true. But that's not the point long term. If local veggies became too expensive, people will convert to other forms, reduce their consumption, out of country imports will rise, and the areas formerly in these labor intensive crops will convert to something else.

So it's not exactly true that the "employers" want cheap labor. It mostly doesn't matter, as long as there's a level playing field for all.

Consumers ALWAYS foot the bill. Therefore, the supplier couldn't care less.

 

[Haroki]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

A fully non responsive ad hominem attack...

Are you under the impression that a troll that considers how fun it would be to make a comment to another ET member about molesting his kids, for the sole purpose of getting its rocks off watching him go apeshit, should deserve a serious reply?

You're nothing but a troll that takes flawed and conflicting positions on just about any issue, just so that you can watch someone get angry about your seriously illogical responses.

Now you get to spank the monkey, since I responded.

Does that make you a happy little troll?

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Another fully non responsive ad hominem attack...

Quote from Haroki:

Are you under the impression that a troll that considers how fun it would be to make a comment to another ET member about molesting his kids, for the sole purpose of getting its rocks off watching him go apeshit, should deserve a serious reply?

You're nothing but a troll that takes flawed and conflicting positions on just about any issue, just so that you can watch someone get angry about your seriously illogical responses.

Now you get to spank the monkey, since I responded.

Does that make you a happy little troll?