Alexis Tsipras' "open letter" to German citizens

Your point was Greece will do just fine with a cheap drachma - and you used tourism as a major reason Greece will do just fine - which was refuted by "d08" saying Greece already welcomed record numbers of tourists and is still in the shitter - he already completely dismantled your claim. You got your facts wrong (your tourism claim was simply and plain factually wrong) and you cannot admit it even when people dip your nose into the toilet.


volpunter posted my source.

As for your FT article, I long canceled my access to that site so I cannot read your article.

We can debate European destinations for tourism if that's the subject you'd like to discuss. Is it? My point is Greece will do just fine with a cheap drachma - both export and through tourism - once the chaos settles. Prove me wrong.

As for Croatia being somewhat new, there were plenty of Europeans there back when I went to Hvar in 2005. But who knows? Maybe some of you folks are just catching on.
 
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I never blamed Jews for anything, asswipe. And yes I called Greeks savages, because they have descended into a nation of whiners, cheaters, and unsocial beings. Owe up to your obligations and responsibilities and people from the outside world respect you again.

I don't care who he criticizes. It's just that he continues to call Greeks "savages" and blames the US problems on the Jews. You don't think there are issues with blanket statements like that? You support these types of beliefs? I guess you are. My bad, go on blaming. Get it out of your system.
 
just say "I am sorry I got my sources wrong". How FUCKING hard is that to say? If Greeks would come along and meant it wholeheartedly the rest of Europe would wipe 20% off their debt load just for that. Try it once, it works wonders. Goodness.

What I posted was my opinion that Greece will be just fine and tourism will grow under a cheap drachma. When you challenged it with your opinion that Europeans would never go to a non-Shengen country to holiday, I figured I'd go look and see where Europeans like to vacation. I found a link and mentioned it.

Shall I go back among your 1739 posts to see if you've ever made an opinion without a substantiated source that is approved by the National Speech and Debate Association? The link I posted is a source. If you don't like it, then fine. Your source is better - savor the massive victory, you win the argument on where Europeans like to vacation. Are we finished yet?

Give it a rest, dude. The nitpicking on everything does nothing but get folks into flame wars. Is that what you're trying to accomplish?
 
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How disrespectful as statesman to travel to another European capital and introduce oneself and meet for the first time on a ministerial level and refuse to even wear a tie. That dude is 53 years old and lacks basic manners. Do this in Washing DC and you are out of the club and talked about for days at every pub in the city.


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Yanis Varoufakis, the Greek finance minister, was in Berlin on Thursday for a meeting with Wolfgang Schäuble, his fiscally hardline German counterpart, as he seeks to alter the terms of the European bailout. The two are not natural soulmates; Schäuble is a formal and old-style German politician while Varoufakis is an ebullient and youthful 53-year-old, an economics blogger and professor at Essex, Sydney and Athens universities who dresses with nightclub-bouncer chic and whose party uses the imagery of the Nazi occupation to rally Greek resistance.

Meantime, Merkel and Hollande fly to Kiev and Moscow, lol.

I guess the debt is already written off in most heads.
 
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Wolfgang Schäuble: Good morning, we expected you earlier.

Yanis Varoufakis: I apologise, I was paying a visit to the site of Hitler’s Bunker.

WS: Yes. You are all rather fond of Nazi sites. I saw your leader’s visit to the memorial to Greeks shot by the Nazis. Perhaps you will find time to squeeze in a visit to Wannsee while you are in Berlin.

YV: Let us not get off on the wrong foot. I’ve come with a present for you.

WS: How thoughtful. Is it a book?

YV: Yes, Anthony Beevor’s Crete: the Battle and the Resistance.

WS: Of course, Greeks and gifts.

YV: You must understand, I mention Nazis not as an insult but as a warning of what happens when a country is reduced to national humiliation and unending hopelessness. We now have Nazis in our own country, we think Germany, of all nations, would want to help us resist them. You know how we feel.

WS: This is why you also threaten to pursue Germany for war-reparations, out of your desire for a common front?

YV: You have to understand. Some of our Nazi references are for internal consumption and some are for your consumption. You must not confuse the two. I want a strong Germany. A Germany leading Europe; lifting all the boats on Europe’s seabed.

WS: So you do not mind a powerful Germany as long as it is doing as you wish. If we waive your debts and let you abandon reform, then we are not an army of occupation. You do not mind a powerful creditor as long as he keeps paying.

YV: We are simply asking for help.

WS: And we wish to help. We wish to help you to help yourself. But we also need trust and reliability, a belief that if a country makes an agreement that it can be counted on to fulfil it.

YV: But the programme is bringing my country to despair. Do you want me to mention the Nazis again?

WS: I believe I caught that message.

YV: We are in a savage debt crisis. You gave the largest loan in history to an insolvent nation. We came to you with a mortgage problem and you offer us credit cards. Our people voted for a better future — that was our promise to them.

WS: A promise made on someone else’s bank account.

YV: We need time to work out a new programme. We need you to keep supporting the bailout beyond February 28, while we work out new terms that you will not like.

WS: Namely?

YV: We want you to cancel our debt, reduce the required budget surplus and allow us to cancel privatisations.

WS: Writing off the debt is not acceptable to the German people.

YV: Do I need to mention the last time German debts were written off?

WS: I am surprised you haven’t.

YV: I thought I would go to Dachau before I head home.

WS: Yes, yes. You are going on an entire Third Reich tour. The best you can hope for is extending the maturity of debt and some breathing space for a tax reform programme. Do not put yourself in a position where you are forced to leave the euro. We would not wish it but we cannot prevent it under all circumstances.

YV: We will not leave the euro. As the Eagles say, you can check out any time you like but you can never leave.

WS: I doubt Don Henley studied the intricacies of Maastricht treaty.

YV: You must respect our mandate from a people not prepared to put up with endless austerity.

WS: I know you are an expert in game theory but I urge you not to overplay your hand.

YV: Half measures and compromise are not enough this time.

WS: Something you learnt at Essex?

YV: It’s the only way.

WS: We will have to agree to disagree.

YV: I cannot agree to that.
 
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Your point was Greece will do just fine with a cheap drachma - and you used tourism as a major reason Greece will do just fine - which was refuted by "d08" saying Greece already welcomed record numbers of tourists and is still in the shitter - he already completely dismantled your claim. You got your facts wrong (your tourism claim was simply and plain factually wrong) and you cannot admit it even when people dip your nose into the toilet.

The only thing that was "refuted" (nothing conclusive, of course) was that Thailand and Miami aren't top 5 destinations for Europeans. That's it. The rest is in your imagination. Simply willing something to be isn't enough to make it so.

The rest is "supposition". I know English is not your native tongue, so I've done you the favor of linking the word to a definition so you can expand your vocabulary. No need to thank me!
 
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It indeed is almost a miracle how well the Jewish financial establishment particularly in the US manages at buying the trust of the world in its credit, and trust is all your system relies on, more so than most other industrialized economies. The leverage at which most entities in the US operate at is simply insane.

I never blamed Jews for anything, asswipe. And yes I called Greeks savages, because they have descended into a nation of whiners, cheaters, and unsocial beings. .

Why comment when you handle it yourself?
 
just say "I am sorry I got my sources wrong". How FUCKING hard is that to say? If Greeks would come along and meant it wholeheartedly the rest of Europe would wipe 20% off their debt load just for that. Try it once, it works wonders. Goodness.

Still clinging to the European holiday spot issue, eh? I said twice already that the source wasn't a good one, apparently. Können Sie nicht lesen? I guess when you get a win, you need to cherish it - no matter how insignificant. I have an idea - you can start a new thread to dedicate entirely to the fact that the link I used wasn't a good one. And d08 can high five you with likes the whole way through! Think of the glory you two can share!
 
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Tsing Tao, tell volpunter to look up comparative advantage theory. i doubt very much he has any economic training, certainly has no business skills. Greece has islands , beaches and no doubt restaurants on beaches. Germany has no beaches afaik, but it does have much manufacturing.

Each country plays to its own strengths. Trying to make Greece into Germany doesn't work.

Sorry Visaria. I didn't see this. Volpunter, Visaria has realized that you surrendered (and were unable to debate) and put him/her on ignore, so he/she has asked me to tell you to look up Comparative Advantage Theory. He/she states that each country must use the advantages it has. For example, Greece needs to rely on tourism and Germany manufacturing. Trying to get Greece to become a major manufacturer isn't going to work.

Just passing along the message.
 
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